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Believers hate Mick West i've come to learn - he's a most vocal debunker.

If he's part of a disinformation campaign he might not even realize - probably not as it seems he's been a shadowy figure in the IC for quite a while. But i'll say this as we're just going in circles - when the pentagon's UFO report comes and goes with no disclosures or evidence - I still wont...

Nobody knows what he knows, because he can/will not say. But I do know he's been on the publicity circuit the last few months in lead up to the June report; sitting for any and every newscast, podcast and radio show big and small.

Ah I must have read an errant interview, as the account I recollect Fravor stated he was trained on his instruments and did not make visual contact. Edit - it was Chad Underwood not Fravor I was thinking of.

I've watched many interviews with Lue, especially lately as he's making the rounds big time; helping to set the narrative IMO.

Many pilots have reviewed that IR footage and don't believe its alien craft. I dont think any of these pilots witnessed these craft with their own eyes - only instruments. Until I see evidence I'm going with a disinformation campaign by our lying liars in government.

Whats the third theory? I'm all ears. Honestly I'd say sub-sea civilization / interdimensional beings / ai is probably more plausible than interstellar aliens. All I know is if no better vids/pictures/accounts get released in the report, and just vague references I'll know its BS. Bill Clinton...

But what is more plausible, a disinformation campaign from our government full of lying liars, or aliens?

Hoax's, experimental craft and/or misconceptions.

I didnt say they've been developing these for 70 years. The oldest ipotato video is from 2004 isn't it? And even then they're only blobs on an IR screen. They're evidence of nothing.

I think they DO have upgraded FLIR now, where are those videos @ considering they run into these things nearly 'daily' supposedly. There is TONS of evidence of 'super secret' black programs, U2, SR71, F117, B2 etc... Pentagon 'misplaces' billions of dollars into Lockmarts pockets. UFO sighters...

Grainy IR videos of what could be experimental aircraft or cruises missiles etc. Why must we jump to 'alien'. WHY would we believe the government when they'd say 'we promise its not a super secret program'? It wouldn't be a super secret program if they went around disclosing it. I'm a...

Not buying it. They better release more than Ipotato videos of 1st-gen IR systems. Timing is suspect AF. If the feds are saying it - I'm believing the opposite.