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  1. Salt

    Off-Topic Does God actually exist?

    Not sure how those polls are worded. If asked are you ok with abortion for "any reason" up to 15 weeks I wonder if that would change the numbers? Maybe there is a poll out there. I do think most people are against abortion "on demand". And you may find within that group differences in how many...
  2. Salt

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    Reading that bill it seems pretty in line in terms of what most people would like to see with its standard abortion exceptions. I don’t see an issue with voters there who obviously voted in a conservative legislative body. I would also suspect those legislators had access to polls and perhaps...
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    As opposed to worshipping the Climate god or we face Armageddon in 10 years? Who voted those apostles and prophets of doom into office? They are destroying this country as we speak but yet you are terrified of a very small minority not even in power? Don’t tell me your screen fogs up every...
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    Do you understand how democracy works? Voters voted their representatives in office. They pass a bill. Voters can vote them out of office next time if unhappy. And yes I am concerned that some of the mouth breathers (not necessarily you) on here vote. It’s why our country is in such a deep...
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    so much for coherent and rational discourse on this topic when the OP can't even keep his own thread on track!
  6. Salt

    Off-Topic Does God actually exist?

    there are multiple arguments one can draw from so it is not a one trick pony: 1. The cosmological argument (i.e. fine tuning which is a form of probability argument) 2. Ontological argument 3. Moral argument 4. Resurrection of Jesus (historical analysis of origins of Christian beliefs) 5...
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    Agreed. In my opinion it takes even more faith to believe in the multiverse or to believe that something can come from nothing, or that the universe created itself. Or that mind can come from the mindless, purpose from purposeless , life from the lifeless, etc.
  8. Salt

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    Well, if you do believe our universe is the only one, instead of a metaphysical multiverse, it would be an almost impossible stroke of luck to have the universe we do have. While the jury may still be out I’d rather take a theistic argument to a jury in any court of law under beyond reasonable...
  9. Salt

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    “In the beginning was Lenard” certainly doesn’t have the same ring to it.
  10. Salt

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    ...not so fast
  11. Salt

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    You're probably right though
  12. Salt

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    and that is not even the start of it... the argument from Fine Tuning I think is one of the better arguments for Theism. A life permitting universe would be a very, very rare occurrence by chance alone. And the current universe is the only one we can observe and looks to have had an absolute...
  13. Salt

    Off-Topic Does God actually exist?

    got news for you... since no one was around at the beginning all you have is a narrative. Even Science has its own made up story about the "warm little pond" scenario and complex life just popping into existence out of basic chemistry. How hilarious that is is simply a matter of one's perspective.
  14. Salt

    Off-Topic Does God actually exist?

    There are different degrees of consciousness. At our level it seems we are at something like meta consciousness where we can think about our thinking and also affect energy and matter by our thoughts and actions. Biofeedback is a good example of this. We can influence our autonomic nervous...
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    Off-Topic Does God actually exist?

    I think in our case that’s correct. Our bodies are the vehicle for consciousness to operate. But the thing is that if consciousness is an emergent property of matter and energy do we have any real free will? Ultimately aren’t our thoughts and subsequent actions determined by physical laws and...
  16. Salt

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    Do you think it’s conscious? One thing I always wondered was how our consciousness came about. It always made sense that our consciousness is different than the energy that makes up matter.
  17. Salt

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    Ha! More evidence of how little you know!
  18. Salt

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    I am afraid these are the days we live in
  19. Salt

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    And we know if the PCA disagrees with you you are absolutely wrong!
  20. Salt

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    I would agree. But these things still happen. So if this higher power created us and the world we are in do you think he cares what happens in it? Or is he powerless to do anything about it?
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