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True...Even Butchs 98 and 99 teams were tough af even in losses....Butchs 95-99 teams didn't lose because they werent tough and well coached...they were severely crippled from the Sanctions...in ref to Depth....Even Bobby Bowden told me to my face in 98 that he could see UM was on the verge...

@dsddcane I think you'll agree, Butchs evaluations had tremendous play into it as well...

Lol..

Again...completely different mind set with alot of kids back then in comparison to today...Dont get me wrong...there is some kids who still carry the Old School mentality...but far less than the old days... It had Soooo much to do with Butchs evaluations as well....

Y'all dont realize how Ruthless Butch could be with underperforming players...Butch was imposing to begin with...(6'3 240)...Make him Mad and suffer his wrath if you wanted.

And thats EXACTLY what @dsddcane said last week in a thread about Social Media...That BS would've stopped immediately back in the day....

I heard stories about Workouts under Shnelly that were ruthless...Ive talked to Tony Fitzpatrick about the Legendary "Breakfast Club" on many occasions....F- around and miss curfew if your *** wanted back then....

Back in Butchs Days...the Players themselves pushed each other to the limits... Although Moffitt was present alot...he really didn't have to be...Last thing your *** wanted is Webster...Blades etc in your face because of slouching....

@dsddcane will tell ya....Practices and Workouts during Butchs Days (Voluntary & Non Voluntary) Crap on anything thats been going on at GreenTree or outside of GreenTree for 16yrs...anyone who thinks differently are being disingenuous...

It used to be done outside of GreenTree as well....

@dsddcane...Ring a Bell??....Lol...