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I broke down the 08 class in another thread, which I said it looked good on paper, but it was #1 b/c it was top heavy & was a gigantic class. To me it was still a better class than 04; at least we were able to salvage a glimpse of JaPicky Harris, and had solid careers from Sean Spence, Travis...

That chit ****ed me off on so many levels: 1. We were losing 2. The dancing wasn’t even masculine 3. Other teammates started to join in 4. Support staff was egging it on 5. This was done by a true freshman, and no upper classmen stopped that chit.

Facts.

And it shows when we go against a ground & pound team, or a DL w/ speed & power. Like when we see photos of these young men go to elementary schools for community service w/ no pads on, I’m sorry but I don’t see Cane football players. They look like guys fresh from high school. Again, it’s not...

He did; he had a solid Sr year, all things considered.

And brother, did it ever metastasize

Which is another problem we've had. Butch had a really good staff, one that was consistently poached by other collegiate teams or the NFL. Our support staff for these coaches have been Mickey Mouse at best, lately.

Correct, and I meant to say part of the 2001 class that finished out.

I look at our old games on YouTube, and we looked intimidating. Everyone looked like grown men; kinda like LSU, Bama, OSU, and Clemson kids. We miss the **** outta Moffitt, too. That dude was intense, was not w the bull chit, and made sure these guys muscle fibers hurt from strain & exhaustion...

No leadership or structure around him. The locker room became a unmitigated mess after the disciplined Butch kids left.

You know we've been talking about attrition or guys who bust that's walked through these hallowed doors for a while. We've been talking about culture problems, and it's origin here. I think we can pin point 2004 as the beginning of the end of the era of "The U." Per 247, Butch Davis' last 3...