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It didn't come off that way. It was a fine point, but by the time Dabo started competing for NCs he had a the 7th most 5 stars in the nation. If Manny follows the Dabo example and starts grabbing all the elite 4 and 5 stars he can get I would be very happy, but right now he is following the...

The 2008 class was a top 9 class. I stand corrected in that he didn't directly recruit them, but he still benefited from that talent infusion. The point still stands Dabo had top talent by the time he won his NC.

Of course that is the reason. They have been recruiting at a high level since Dabo has gotten there. His first class was a top 10 recruiting class as we all know 10 wins in the ACC is not that difficult to do, by the time he started winnings NCs his team was loaded with 4 and 5 stars.

That is due to the size of the class not the quality of the opponents. They literally had the 4th most 5 stars last year in the entire nation.

You mean the Clemson team with the 4th most 5 stars in the nation and the number 1 QB in the nation leading there team? Clemson is recruiting at an elite level. I understand the NFL U thing and I would love to get back to that, but I would be still be ok with us just winning NCs. The fact is...

Who cares about what they do in the NFL? Alabama has the number 1 recruiting class and they won the most NCs. Being a "star *****" is the only way to win NCs. It has been stated numerous times that the recruiting services are better now than ever before. Never again will you see teams loaded...

By the time he was HC all those guys had been drafted and spent time in the NFL so we all knew he was drawing in top talent. At this point only one of Mannys LBs are getting serious burn. They are significantly better now. Even 12 years ago only 40% of 5 stars ended up on rosters. Now its over...

That they do, but it doesn't mean we should try and copy them by loading up on 3 stars in hopes that one day we too can win 7 games.

Would you rather stack up 4 and 5 star guys and compete for NCs or do you want to our high point of the decade be winning 7 games and send a handful of guys to the NFL on the OL?

Did you not read the comment I responded to? I was saying no one gave Butch schit for bringing in underated "gems" because when he was here as a position coach he brought in guys that turned out to be elite. Manny did not do that as a DC. Also, the recruiting magazines and phone lines in those...

Ya!!!! They are so talented their best season this decade was 7 wins.

Of course Diaz has been developing these kids better, that is a straight fact, but he wasn't a better recruiter which was my point.

That is not even what is being discussed. The guy was saying "you weren't complaining about butches evals". I said the reason we didn't complain was because he was bringing in elite talent before being a HC.

We clearly have different definitions of being a good evaluator if you think Diaz is a good evaluator because his kids didn't leave the team or get special teams time. I guess since he recruits mainly 3 stars technically they aren't busts.

Yup, but also all the dogs on defense like Thomas, Willis, Jaquan Johnson, etc. etc. were not Diaz guys. I am just saying you can't say Diaz has a low bust rate when all his biggest studs were guys he didn't recruit.

Most of our big time "dogs" were recruited by No D and Golden.

Also the only reason our class is so high is because we took a bunch of 3 stars. If we go by class average we are the 3rd lowest team in the country that actually has someone in 2021 committed that has a 247 ranking

I am just saying its pointless to even bring it up since having the best class this far out really means nothing. Minnesota is the number 5 class lol.

You are forgetting that when Butch was on staff as a DL coach he was bringing in tons of top talent. Diaz has had trouble closing on top talent his entire time as a DC.

We have had the best class 2 years out for the past 5+ years. We ended up with a top 10 class once. This doesn't mean schit.