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No you just are refusing to face facts. If you want to look at it that way then how many teams have had multiple one and dones in a year? 10 in the past 8 years. 20% of those teams have won a natty. That is a MUCH higher percentage than any other mix of players. When you have 1 or 2 teams a year...

Its a terrible point though and false. I just took a look at the past 8 drafts and 4 of the last 8 National Championship teams had atleast 1 one and done. There are at most 6-7 teams per year with a one and done on their team and at least 80 teams with multiple 4 stars that stay all 4 years. So...

You are right I was looking at the 2014 draft when I should have looked at the 15. That actually proves my point even more though lol. They had 3 1 and dones the year they won the natty.

I was referring to the year they won the NC the 2013-14 season when Jabari lead the team in both rebounding and scoring. Yes there where upper classmen, but the debate is whether we should recruit 4 stars or 5 stars, but TC lost that argument and now switched it up to 1 and dones. Regardless, I...

Not only is that not true considering Jabari Parker lead the team in scoring and rebounding and he was a 1 and done during Dukes most recent championship run. Rodney hood was another that was expected to be a 1 and done, but came back for a second season to boost his draft ranking. But the...

So you consider a 23 in a row NCAA streak while making it to the elite 8 50% of the time in this decade along with 2 ships as not something we should try to emulate? Or Kentuckys 17 NCAA streak in a row with 6 elite 8 appearances in this decade, 4 elite 4, 2 final appearances and 1 championship...

First of all they had 3 5 star starters this year plus numerous very high ranked 4 stars. Second you are making a terrible argument. I will take a look at Duke and I will take a look at the other big time one and done schools. What do I see? Teams that make deep runs every single year.

Not even considering the fact that it is so hard to secure one and done. Since they leave after 1 year you cant just stack 5 star recruits like football, but if you where somehow able to land 5 1 and done's 2 Guards, 2 forwards, and 1 center(which is a team full of one and dones) would most...

lol it was 4 am after a long sat night of drinking. Look at my other posts I refer to it as the final 4.

I am looking at both teams and they both have multiple 5 stars and they are continuing to recruit more.I mean they made the elite 4 even cake walks to the elite four have a couple good teams. My point was that you can't go and say: however far you go in the tournament often has to do with your...

Well Syracuse beat us so I don't really see your point. People love to make that point, but then conveniently forget that L had one of the easiest routes to the final 4 when he was at GM. It just seems from your post that you are very happy just making the tournament. No one expects us to win a...

It is almost impossible for anyteam to be filled with 1 and done's, but to make deep runs consistently and have shots at winning it all you need a couple 5 stars.

No. I never said I wanted L gone. I know that there is 0 chance we could pull someone better than him. However, look at a team like Loyola that makes it to the final four. Do you think their fan base was saying: Well we haven't made the final four in almost 60 years we will never make it again...

Villanova has a 5 star that doesn't fit that mold in their class this year. Some teams like Duke and Kentucky have tons of 1 and done guys and teams like UNC and Nova have a mix of vets and 5 stars. I can't think of any consistently elite teams that doesn't fit one of those molds. If L isn't...

I wouldn't really consider that a run, but if that is the type of run you are referring to then yes we can manage that with 3-4*s.

He had 1 run and it wasn't even at our school so its not like we have much to base this on. Regardless there are very few teams(if any) that consistently make deep runs with a bunch of 3-4 stars. Even Nova has had a 5 star in almost all of their recent classes.

Just because he had his biggest runs with lesser talented players doesn't mean he should actively stop recruiting top tier players. Do you really think that if instead of having Lonnie Walker we had signed Chris Duarte or Liangelo Ball then we would have done better?