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If I counted correctly, we have: - 14 more players in the NFL than Penn State - 18 more players in the NFL than Michigan - 31 more players in the NFL than Virginia (who we've lost to multiple times) - 37 more players in the NFL than Virginia Tech (who we've lost to multiple times) - 43 more...

The Duke teams that have beaten us have the same level of talent or better, or so was said by many posters here over the years.