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Huge semantic. He wasn't directly and individually fired for a LACK OF PERFORMANCE IN A COORDINATOR ROLE. That's the entire gist of the original premise.

But I don't think Orgeron was directly/individually fired as a DC (for a lack of performance) and Cristobal set of circumstances don't apply to my original criteria.

LOL, my bad.

Hopeful, downright a pipe dream...but ok. But as for your last sentence, it should be noted it was Manny's own deficiency as a recruiter and developer that has now manifested itself into THE CURRENT DEFENSIVE DEPTH CHART. Between Manny's tenure here as BOTH HC and DC, he's responsible for...

Most important things going forward are putting an AD in place who is actually competent, and then letting him hire a good head coach. I agree that quality assistants can be found from time to time on the cheap, but that usually requires competent leadership in place to unearth those gems...

I'm done on that topic. My interpretation of the data is well documented on these boards

I'm not saying we should go to that extreme, but the fact of the matter is we sit firmly on the other extreme. It's been that way for 2 decades. The intersection of apathy and incompetence. Trust me when I tell you a good majority of the board doesn't even know what a football looks like.

At the end of the day, you need someone on that staff that can play chess toe to toe with opponents that have a heartbeat. I love TRob. He's great at what he does, same for Williams. The issue is neither of these guys are going to be gameday play callers. Like I've already stated ad nauseum...

The University of Miami is NEVER going to hire coordinators the likes of which LSU gave Orgeron. You can put that dream to bed right now LSU's administration cares about football, there is a BIG difference.

That's where we disagree and our interpretation of the data veers in different directions. A guy like Trob isn't going to be here long anyways. My fear is Manny beats up on the bad teams just enough to get an an extension and then we're right back in purgatory. Our schedule is always going to...

I agree with that last paragraph....but the extrapolation of that logic on the Manny hire doesn't yield a rosy outlook. We've got quite a few ostriches burying their heads in the sand on this site.

You realize you could also reverse that statement and it's also true right? Information is just gross data . Context is king. I know for many people on this board that's like trying to explain advanced trigonometry to an impaired chimp....but it doesn't make it any less true. Stats lie more...

Conversely, the educated rational fan would simply say one thing to anyone who thinks people are being too negative with regards to Manny. We are what, 3 years into his tenure? In those 3 years, he has now fired BOTH his initial coordinator hires. The ability to surround yourself with quality...

Sounds like the only one with feelings here is you. You realize feelings make you ignore things too?

Then no offense, but you're a God **** fool. I can tell you first hand I can take ANY set of data points and manipulate them to tell WHATEVER story you want to hear. Numbers need context and ample sample size from which to draw conclusions. Gross numbers don't have feelings but they are the...

I don't believe Cristobal was ever a coordinator, thus was never fired in that capacity and doesn't apply to my question. I also don't believe Leach was fired AS A COORDINATOR. Getting fired as a head coach doesn't apply to my original question. Correct me if I'm wrong on that one as far as...

Here's something I'd like to know. Can anyone name a COLLEGE coordinator, who was fired as a COLLEGE coordinator, and went on to become a quality COLLEGE head coach? Maybe an example exists, I can't think of any.