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Do you think they have fans who feel the way you do about FSU? They had our number. That's all.

Is he Kenny Pickett good though?

That's exactly what I'm suggesting. It was a humiliating loss that shouldn't define, but should motivate us. That doesn't make them a better team in any respect other than the final score on that day.

Have you ever suffered a great loss in your life? Did you praise that which beat the sht out of you or did you prepare and go back at it harder? Should we forfeit the game this year so we don't get beat even worse? They planned their game well and exploited every weakness. It happens. That...

I want a humiliating loss that starts the decline of Mack Brown and ends any Sam Howell for Heisman discussion. 77-0 works for me.

The vacated L's are excluded. Realistically, the only solid comparison is the last 2 years Manny vs Mack (0-2), but if you want to focus on Manny, he's 2-3 against UNC at UM.

I get the point, I was clarifying the framing. We were 8-3 and they were 8-4, so you can't objectively make a successful argument that either of us was/is significantly better than the other.

Mark Richt also comes to mind.

We're 8-8 in the last 16. We're 8-9 in the last 17, which is when we joined the ACC and started playing them again. Prior to that we last played in 1964. Also, the 2008 and 2009 victories were vacated. That puts us at: 0-2 in the last 2 2-2 in the last 4 2-4 in the last 6 4-4 in the last 8...

In the last 4 years, Miami is 2-2 against UNC. In the last 8 years, Miami is 4-4 against UNC. In the last 11 years, Miami is 6-5 against UNC.