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Great post, coach. Adds a lot to the discussion. Part of evaluating is definitely seeing the potential not just for athletic growth but different positions. Agree with your comments.

Man I've been one of the biggest butch voices here, because I'm all about evaluations and his evals were the goat. Had no idea someone gave the credit to others for Butch's recruiting. Definitely not my view. All coaches have assistants. Butch proved he had the green thumb.

Yep. That list of people were difference makers in the NFL. Foreman and Edwards and Anderson were close to Canton level. Harrah was like a 6x all pro. I've said it a lot. It's mind blowing that the U in the 1970s, because it was a thing, produced way better NFL players than the U in the...

That explains it! Was wondering why he was sputtering at me.

I have utmost respect for both JJ and Butch as evaluators. JJ also rebuilt a 1-15 NFL team into a dynasty that but for Jerry Jones' ego would have been the Patriots. His eval skills were both college and NFL. I credit Butch in there too because he was in Dallas helping them draft and sort...

You may have a mental issue. What bad post am I covering up for? Everyone else here is having a good discussion. I have all the respect in the world for Butch as an evaluator, but it's a fact (and a good one) that he was evaluating by JJ's side at UM and then again at Dallas. By the way...

Confidence is a double-edged sword. T Rob talked well about knowing yourself and your limitations in order to know what to do / work on. The answer isn't always work on your limitations. Some things you can't change. Size, speed, say. You can work out, but if you're not really fast, you're...

It goes way back before Pete. Butch was working alongside Jimmy in Miami and Dallas. He learned from the goat and became his peer.

I've written this many times on this site, but it's worse than you say. Miami football put out much better NFL players in the '70s than the 2010s. That's a pathetic truth. We put out essentially zero impact NFL players in the 2010s. (The only guy from Miami who was an impact NFL player was...

I assume youre just saying par means average development. Obviously no development wouldn’t lead to draft picks because other schools are developing and HS rankings don’t guarantee nfl outcomes. I agree we’re about average in this categry. I also think the nfl measure and ‘nflu’ monicker have...

Great discussion. I think the criticism of gladwell is mostly misplaced jealousy by ‘experts’ who lack his commercial instincts or writing talent. Kahneman is right that gladwell himself doesn’t claim what people blame him for. And the idea he’s doing a disservice by discussing these ideas...

Thanks for your response, it's really thoughtful. I agree with most if not all of that, but there's a big difference between saying all people can learn to do X, and predicting the probability that each individual person will learn it (or how well). Because in life, not everyone will learn...

Great comment. This is exactly the discussion I wanted to have in this thread. I agree with you and think that the better evaluators know how to see this in kids. They may or may not even be able to articulate what they're looking for, but they know it when they see it. I'm sure Butch would...

I agree 100% with you. Those are two points I've been trying to make on this board for a long time.

Okay, now I understand the confusion. Of that group, I hope you realize that Linder, Henderson and Feliciano were not Golden recruits. And Shane McDermott wasn't either (KC was).

Which group of Golden recruits specifically are you referring to when you say 'relative good performance' in the pros?

rok, is it okay if I call you by a nickname, or should I call you Mr. rukulika? In any case, do you think the low-rent facilities were an issue? I am with you on the culture point, 100%

I've written a lot about evaluations, so wanted to try to focus on development, since I hear back a lot that the issue isn't recruiting, it's development. I'm not saying evaluations haven't been an issue, I'm just focusing on the development piece here. The interesting thing to me is that...

Who are the many guys who you say underproduced at UM then excelled in the NFL?

Zero?