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  1. Ethnicsands

    Would you take this deal? (Remainder of season)

    I'm definitely not viewing this discussion as 'what would Manny do?' Or 'what should Manny do?' If Manny did anything other than try to win every game, he should be fired. It's not a debate because of Manny. Lu's trying to pick at the pros and cons and rationales of the FAN discussion and...
  2. Ethnicsands

    Would you take this deal? (Remainder of season)

    I guess we’re talking different languages. How is the ‘team mindset’ furthered in one scenario can the other? The team is going to go out and try to win it’s games. The question is whether as a fan you think we’d be better off in scenario one or two.
  3. Ethnicsands

    Would you take this deal? (Remainder of season)

    i don’t understand your response. fun mindset doesn’t mean team mindset. either you can answer logically or you can’t. if you’re talking emotion it is what it is. the question is whether a as a fan you’d take a sure 2-1 on the terms outlined vs. anything goes.
  4. Ethnicsands

    Would you take this deal? (Remainder of season)

    Good point on HFA this year. I’d take GT+21 all day long. They’ve played a very tough schedule, playing Clemson and ND and UCF. They beat Louisville by more than we did. They beat FSU. BC is a solid team. Syracuse is the only real question on their outcomes. But even if that’s right we’re...
  5. Ethnicsands

    Would you take this deal? (Remainder of season)

    IMO, we can’t take 0-3 off the table - it’s probably a 9% chance range outcome. We’ve lived through so many late season collapses. Your hypothetical is interesting precisely because you have to value the 0-3 risk. I might actually change my response if you eliminated that in your hypo. We...
  6. Ethnicsands

    Would you take this deal? (Remainder of season)

    It’s hot a question for manny. he’s the coach. he’s there to try to win no matter what. It’s solely a fan question. Defining it as alpha/beta just means you’re picking emotion over logic.
  7. Ethnicsands

    Would you take this deal? (Remainder of season)

    If we’re trying to rebuild, we have to manage perception carefully. Sorry to say but playing ND in a major bowl is not a good bet for this program this year. Sorry. Getting train run on us is a lot more likely than the reverse. And then we’re back to Richt era wisconsin. I guess you have...
  8. Ethnicsands

    Would you take this deal? (Remainder of season)

    My instinct is 1-2 is a lot different than 2-1. It’s the deflator vs okay, good year, progress. I do think 3-0 increases the chance of a surprise outlier, but I’m also mindful we don’t have room for more than 1 of those, so I’d put a lot of weight on making sure we hold the kids we’ve got...
  9. Ethnicsands

    Would you take this deal? (Remainder of season)

    It’s a symptom, imo, not the disease. No heart, no culture. No soul, as lu would say. We do have to get back to winning bowl games. But we have to do a bunch of things to sustainably get back there. Also, we should stop celebrating marginal nfl kids or early departures (other than the rare...
  10. Ethnicsands

    Would you take this deal? (Remainder of season)

    We’ve won one bowl game since 2006. One. It was the Russell Athletic Bowl.
  11. Ethnicsands

    Would you take this deal? (Remainder of season)

    Understood. Just trying to bring the discussion you sought. My bottom line is there is a more likely than not chance of a worse outcome than option 1, and a high price to risk. If we were playing for here and now, different discussion. I’m focused on getting where we want to go and that will...
  12. Ethnicsands

    Would you take this deal? (Remainder of season)

    Saying we can doesn’t mean much. The question is whether we will. We’ve been close and fotunate against VA, NCST and VT. Even v Pitt, it was a close game late 3rd quarter before we got out last td. We thought beating Louisville meant something, but everyone has beaten them this year. FSU...
  13. Ethnicsands

    Would you take this deal? (Remainder of season)

    That’s the emotion I was talking about. GT has had a rea;ly tough schedule. UNC is having a good year. Wake has played solidly. We’re all within a zone on comparable opponent scoring. This fan base consistently overrates our team and confuses luck with destiny. Vegas had us an underdog to...
  14. Ethnicsands

    Would you take this deal? (Remainder of season)

    Agreed. More talking to the theoretical responses. People say ‘hey, 3-0, boo-yah.’ But it didn’t end that way in ‘17, and it really cost us going forward.
  15. Ethnicsands

    Would you take this deal? (Remainder of season)

    Depends if you think we’re BUILDING a program, or just rolling the dice every season. I want to see growth, progression, momentum. You could also have rephrased option 2 as ’3-0, 2-1, 1-2 or 0-3.’ We’ve been lucky in some close wins. Let’s cement the positives and build from there, imo.
  16. Ethnicsands

    Would you take this deal? (Remainder of season)

    Logically, you take option 1. emotionally, you want option 2. To get the program back, you want 10 wins, beat unc and gt, and build for tje future. option 2 is great if you go 2-1 or 3-0, but if you limp in 1-2, it’s a big deflator.
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