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I count 17 OL drafted since ‘00. Maybe I missed one. 7 were between ‘00–‘05. (Mercier, McKinnie, Bibla, Gonzalez, Carey, C. Joseph C. Myers.) Butch recruits. Nuff said. So we are talking about ten kids over 14 years. Not bad but not evidence of great lines each year, either. But let’s...

It also supports the theory of the poster you responded to. It supports all theories. Talent and coaching and all else. When you get stomped by FIU, you have to accept your problems are more multiple than Enos’s offense is.

People should to be careful about projecting their beliefs. That’s part of my point and has been for ages here. Yes as a general matter we’ve had bad everything, and that includes development. Okay, but what of it? People then say with confidence that a good coach would have turned whoever...

I think we agree that our coaching and schemes and development have been putrid, so I am not surprised by our ‘nfl kids’ not excelling in college. It’s not an inconsistency for me, because my view of the problem is ‘all of the above.’ We’re just emphasizing different problems. They’re all...

If your point is our coaching stinks, great, no argument. Do we waste talent as well as anyone does? Surely! That’s what crap coaches do, and our coaches are crap. But this repetitive ‘hey guys we sent a kid to the nfl‘ mantra really should stop. It’s silly. Clemson has had good lines...

You’re lost in your underwear here. I have literally never said the’re equally bad at everything. That is you struggling to invent a straw man to argue over. Why bother debate which thing they suck more at? It’s an idiotic topic. It’s enough to say ‘both’ or ‘all of it.’ This discussion...

That is funny, but doesn’t help the discussion. It’s absurd to claim our issues are only cosches and not talent. Bad coaches evaluate poorly, often enough. They also manage the roster poorly. These things go hand in hand.

If it is hard for you to believe a kid could eat himself out of a job, you’re not paying attention. It’s never sll one thing or all another. These boards have been filled for 20 years with people who claimed it was all X. They were all surprised when Not X didn’t translste into improvement...

How are you at math and logic?

You sound insane. False equivalence? I have it crystal clear. Our crap coaches have been bad at pretty much everything, including evaluations, recruiting and roster management. As a result, our talent has been less than delusional star whores believe.

You’re moving the goalposts. It’s silly. I have never absolved our putrid coaches for their part in our putrid performance. You say ‘the talent is there‘ ... it’s all coaching’ But our OL deficiencies are not just a function of coaching. As always, it’s both. Bad coaching, bad...

You are not a matador and I am not a bull, so quit with the irrelevant responses.

You say that, but it does not necessarily mean that. Hence my comment. Think harder.

One possibility is we are focusing on the wrong traits, since having a kid here or there get drafted has obviously not meant our OLs were better than Clemsons.

this is a good re-read given OL performance and recruiting concerns after seeing the season.

But that OL, mane.

In fact, I liked that OL talent. You are now making things up. I was a huge Flowers fan since he was in HS, and liked Linder and McDermott at UM a lot. But we both know that group did not perform up to its talent level here, either. I guess we’ll see whether our OL is as good as the rest of...

I admit to finding it frustrating to see you continuously repeat yourself without any serious consideration of the points you are ignoring or missing. It’s not that hard to entertain alternative possibilities. I have never once said we are well coached and our only issues are talent, just by...

I didn’t bring up Florida other than to note we must play them. Our OL has to hold up to their D. If their OL is awful too, that’s good for us, but not a defense of whatever challenges we have on OL. I do not consider it sufficient for our OL to be better than Florida’s OL, particularly if...

I dont think its from a direct quote. It shouldn’t be, because coaches rarely say stuff like that, even when it’s true. Think what you want about it. Probably a lot of what we think we know on this board is from secondary sources. I know what I am consistently hearing from practice accounts...