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I like objectivity. So ill converse. I dont think I said they kicked great because of Patke. I was responding to the poster who said they were great before patke. That wasn't true. Either way, kicking is a specialty niche. Most STs coaches don't teach that. That is up to trainers. I ST...

Not only that, but Hedley was averaging 38-39 yards a punt in Juco before he got here. To say that is great before Patke is comical. Idk the impact Patke had on their kicking improvements, but anyone he tries to make that argument loses credit imo. They show themselves to be non objective...