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They still reach on qb’s but you know it’s a qb driven league and it’s a crapshoot after the one or two obvious guys

I’m basing my point off of so many podcasts and interviews talking about nfl gm’s today. It’s all self preservation , trying to make it to the next contract. That’s why you don’t see much risky stuff anymore, drafting off of measurables/ potential alone. Take the sure thing, safe pick. Even if...

I’d go fa or trade down lol. Its all semantics , they’ll get drafted high. First or second round.

That was kinda my point , 2013?

Name them....I’m not being a ****. I seriously want to know who in recent years? This nfl is different than the old nfl. You can’t ***** up top ten picks or you’re fired in two to three years. Then you’re career is done. DL that go top ten are pretty much sure things. Not one year wonders ...

Once again we agree. Raw, raw and raw. They both need work but GR ceiling makes him intriguing. Philips I’m not nearly as big on. I’d be ok not touching him.

Neither will be there late first early second. Philips is getting love for the his mid season explosion. Or he’s be third round at best, he was third or fourth round before mid season surge.

True but duke was only there in body. Go watch UVA to get a feel for Philips.

My point exactly. These two are not those guys. It’s just different when you watch them on film. GR could be something close down the road. He just needs time. Philips I don’t think so.

Tbh I’d roll with history over most of the dweeb gm’s. GR15 isn’t a freak of nature , go watch Myles Garret, Chase young , Von Miller destroying grown men every play , young only doing it with a speed rush. Being double teamed and sometimes tripled with a rb chipping. Find me that with these...

It did , but the nfl is running a lot of the college offenses now. So it’s not apples to apples. The nfl is going more and more spread , using rpo, zone read and a lot of Riley’s run blocking schemes. I promise no nfl team is running manny’s d, saying “ ***** the run, just go get the qb, f...

you were saying he was as good but krazy cane said he was better lol. You never said better

You said as good , I can pull it up if you want.

Late first rounders is more fitting and a safer position imo. I’d maybe take GR earlier because of the tangibles.

Most top ten picks are sure things , if you miss on two first rounders ( too 10) your career as a gm is done. Like I said “ IF IM A GM there’s no way I’m using a top ten on either.

Im not looking at it as a fan , so he’s not “ our “ player at the next level. I wouldn’t want my eagles to draft them in the top ten. Because they aren’t that The folks getting butthurt are acting like fans. I don’t see elite pass rush moves , elite hands or overwhelming power. You have to be...

If I thought they sucked I wouldn’t be saying mid to late first , that’s good football players. But to take those two in the top ten would be insane imo. That’s only for elite guys that’ll walk in to a de spot and staying there ten years. That’s sure things. Both of these guys lack film ...

Exactly the point. These guys are not Myles Garrett, Von Miller or chase young. That’s what top ten picks look like. While playing in schemes not putting up stats like it’s a Mike Dantoni system. Both are raw and need time , it’s just insane to take them in the top ten. I’d take mid late first...

Yeah is it more ridiculous than saying Mark Walton being just as good as Barkley? Like I said you’re blinded. So before calling someone ridiculous about being unbiased look at your history.

Production in this scheme is smoke in mirrors , it is what it is.