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You hit the nail on the head with the recruiting aspect. I think barry is a good coach, **** I think Justice is a good coach. But their recruiting (and giving players cupcakes) left something to be desired. Hard to coach up (1) kids that are just not that talented, (2) kids when you are only on...

I agree. Herbert was just a bad eval. Even his HS tape a lot of people on here were not only skeptical but flat out adamant he was not going to do well in CFB, @Liberty City El was one of the main ones leading that charge. Reed, strong as an ox and was a better eval and a kid you take a chance...