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Oh well five of the last six seasons is REALLY indicative of their 120 year history. Don't call yourself a stat guy if you don't understand how statistics work.

They lost by 17 to Bama and 27 to Clemson in two CFP appearances. Are you actually serious with this comment?

How would we not qualify by "those standards" in either football or baseball? Multiple rings, sustained post season appearances, under multiple coaches, highly successful at the next level. No, I don't think many programs qualify as top tier programs. That's kind of the point. And analyze...

Yeah, I understand the weather, lack of indoor facilities and start date is a major reason for the lack of success of northern programs. But I don't think money and new facilities are going to change things overnight for MOST schools, short of the Ohio States and Michigans of the world.

I think Notre Dame right now is a great example. Take out what they did in the 40's when there were no scholly limitations and only white guys could play. They won a ring they didn't deserve in '88 and have perpetually been highly ranked due to their pedigree, but $#!+ the bed in big games. I...

Valid points but I'd totally disagree. I think there are a few elite programs and that's about it. No, I would not call Florida a great program. I definitely wouldn't call FSU a great program. I think when you have that much sustained success without winning a ring it's more of an indictment...

I find it a bit odd that people seem to conflate a program with "current/recent state of a team." A program has a sustained history of success and has won a few championships, while routinely being in the hunt for one. A team can be good right now (or highly ranked, in which case it doesn't...

Agreed, but you know what I meant. And I wouldn't call Louisville that great of a baseball program yet. Just like in football, they've had some modest success, but they're new kids on the block.

I was ASTONISHED to see them ranked. But they're nothing as a baseball program. Ohio State lands in the polls every once in awhile too, but again, they're akin to Oregon in football, with less postseason appearances.

Almost no program north of the Carolinas is worth anything in baseball. Oregon State won a couple but it doesn't get that cold out here. Cold climates = lousy baseball programs.