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Removing hyper successful years that he was head coach just cuz he had a particular player (that he recruited and coached) is definitely framing an argument Those years happened whether you want to acknowledge them or not. I wouldn’t call 20 games over .500 terrible, either. Being objective...

Way to frame it there. Can you find Bill Belicheck’s record without Brady for me? Jimbo isn’t an elite coach like Urban, Dabo, or Saban, but he’s had as much or more success than just about anyone else in CFB.

Well, it proves he’s not a chump when it comes to coaching. He probably is in other aspects of his life.