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No grandpa, I'll make a mental note that #8 defense is just plain average. Being top 3 in the nation in turnovers, sacks, tfl, 3rd down %, and ypp doesn't mean anything and that your personal opinion holds more weight than FEI

I stated the metrics where we were top 3 in the original post. Then showed other metrics against competition as you changed your point. You're really hanging on to a irrelevant point in arguing that our best defense in nearly 20 years wasn't good enough for you. Not gonna talk to a wall...

eh I changed my mind,.... yeah I was providing factual information, not actually debatable. HOWEVER since you want to factor in SOS and competition, i looked that up too so we went from al golden and 'NO D' to immediately the next season: 2016- #13 2017 - #13 2018 - #8 so you're wrong pal...

I don't have the energy to die on this hill but if you look up the actual statistics we were top 10 and in some cases top 3 in nearly all important categories through that tenure. Maybe dominant isn't the word you like but it was the best defense we've had since the early shannon days

I agree with this, people don't like to acknowledge good things that have happened even if the whole tenure ended poorly. Dorsey would be ruined by this fanbase Richt brought back a good portion of the fan base and the IPF. Also, I don't care if it's unpopular and I get 50 down votes, Manny's...