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I am not disagreeing, just was making point its not cut and dry especially consider some of the others we are still trying to reel in. One change is taking these a couple borderline guys is no longer a four-year commitment. Can't have half a class of reaches, but 3-4 kids who may be a project or...

Shavers I thought was part of that Ravens crew, so not sure I see that. Same with Frederique. The other three (Day, Minaya, and Russell) though can find the door (though wasn't Day particularly a Guidry recruit?)