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Again... THREE TIMES IN 28 DAYS? The exact same call? And the ACC didn't bother to do a refresher course for the refs? Give me a ******* break...

As if you give a ****. Nope, it's another one of your passive-aggressive backdoor efforts to start more **** with me, because I've destroyed you every other time.

Look, I said it wasn't personal. Regardless of where you pulled the picture, it's the EXACT same point in time that the F$U fans are using to claim it wasn't a safety. I'm not mad at you personally, I just take issue when the beginning point of the discussion is using a point-in-time which F$U...

Certainly with North Carolina it did. And, again, I'm trying to focus on games where the NON-call of a safety began to change the scoring and strategy immediately thereafter. We beat Clemson. While I'd like to have 2 additional points, I'd also note that the North Carolina and F$U non-calls...

Yes. Absolutely. And, again, I'd point out that the SemenHoles are going to try to make the "first touch" appear as early as possible. But the reality is that Wesley first swipes at the ball (Photo 2) and then brings his arm down (Photo 3) onto Travis's arm to make the actual tackle.

Keep in mind, they spotted this at the 1.

Here, you want some more bull****? We are sitting here debating over where the ball was, as if a referee actually saw the play and made a minor error of judgment. But, yeah, that never happened. The non-safety was made by a ref BEHIND the play who couldn't see ****. Meanwhile, he had EVERY...

You took the exact picture that F$U fans are circulating for the false claim of "forward progress", at a point where Wes has not even touched Travis yet. Is it about to happen? Yes. But, again, WATCH THE VIDEO. Wesley swipes at the ball and then gets Travis's arm instead, which is when the...

Please stop with your F$U-favorable interpretations. This is the point where Wesley's arm initiates a TACKLING motion on Travis's arm. Before that, Wesley was swiping at the ball, but this is the point where Wesley begins to tackle Travis. The ball is now past his second jersey number and...

And you are full of ****. Watch the videos from all angles. Wes's hand comes over the shoulder and begins to come down, but doesn't make contact until Travis has rocked the ball backward and into the end zone. Travis rocks the ball backwards and tucks it to his left hip in anticipation of the...

Two terrible safety calls that mattered and would have impacted the rest of the game, in terms of decisions to kick FGs or go for TDs, etc.

Need screenshots. And don't close your windows.

Look at the video that @pacusmc posted on the first page of this thread. While it is not from the "pylon cam" as we had with the F$U pictures, we can still figure out quite a bit. First, it was the North Carolina game, with Drake Maye, not the Clemson game. Second, Maye had the ball in both...

Yes, they did. If you notice, the new trend for referees is to simply wave the sticks to be moved forward whenever it is fairly close on a first down. You RARELY see a measurement any longer, unless it is a 3rd/4th down short yardage situation. Here's what a lot of people fail to understand...

For the people analyzing the two safeties... Stop looking at the feet. Look at the ball. In both situations, Maye and Travis were running in a fashion where they were rocking the ball back and forth. In both situations, when the tackle BEGAN, they had rocked the ball backward into the end...

The ball is down where the tackle began. Section 5. Safety How Scored—ARTICLE 1 Approved Ruling 8-5-1 I. A10, after receiving the snap in his own end zone, is downed with the ball resting on his goal line, its forward point being in the field of play. RULING: Safety. A part of the dead...