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I never said Butch is going to get a pass. Too many dumbasses - mostly Johnny-Come-Lately - to ensure that will never happen. It is my hope they know as much about fornicating as they do about UM football back then - as I sure would hate to see their offspring.

Just to fill in on what you said, Butch recruited balls to the wall for JJ. JJ won a National - that's ONE. JJ handed his team over to Dennis - who won a couple Nationals - recruited by Butch - that's TWO. Butch handed Clappy that Natonal Championship team - that's ONE - and damned near won...

Yeah - I remember very, very well - We lost like 31 scholarships - no bowls - no one wanted to come here - and I recall Soldinger saying they didn't even have enough players to scrimmage. Now how in H*** are you supposed to win ten games a year when you're in that deep of a hole? And yet...

Naw. Howard was much better than his record/percentage indicated. Numbers only show one criteria - Never tell the starting point, distance, and accomplishments.

Schellenberger handed over his team to JJ. Built up, restored, coming off a National, and JJ won. Jimmy handed over a top caliber team to Erickson - and they won two. Erickson crashed the machine. Butch dug it out of the dirt - and brought it back - and it took some time. Now, who was REALLY...

Not worth a ****. Only recruited the best college team in history - after doing what only Schellenberger did - bring the program out of the ashes. That's a remarkable thing - takes a really good coach to do something like that. And once he started winning big - UM jacked around trying to...

No, he didn't lie. He was staying. UM delayed and delayed his contract - planning on holding out long enough he'd have to forego the new contract he thought was done and done. UM cheapness. Let's just put it where it belongs.