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I think you're the first to bring up that his time as DL and DC here should be considered as well. And I agree, it should be part of the equation. Whether it gets him there or not, I dunno.

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Well, I hope you are not calling me "simple" but I'll survive regardless if you are. : ) First of all in JJ's first year he had a staff who hated him and a few who thought they should be HC forced down his throat, didn't he? Let's provide context. It's also, you know, a first year. Especially...

Absolutely, and Butch wins the all-time reclamation award for sure (his evals were incredible!) but remember, this context is Hall of Fame credentials. Also I am not the one who decided it would be a good idea to compare Butch Davis to Jimmy Johnson. :)

I don't think it's black and white with me at all. I think I'm intellectually honest about him. I am not anti-Butch, I appreciate him for what he was to UM. Right guy at the time, all-time talent guy. So if Jimmy Johnson doesn't win the 1987 National Championship and get that ring for life he's...

Butch had one 10+ win season at Miami, played in one major bowl, and didn't win the NC with the best talent in CFB in 2000. He left the roster stacked. Jimmy Johnson had four 10+ win seasons at Miami, played in 5 major bowls in his 5 years, and didn't win the NC with the best talent in CFB in...

As mentioned, the board literally flew banners over the OV saying "fire butch." Crowdsourced.

I mean, you did a good job explaining why the haters are overreacting on him, but you also illustrate a lot of his warts. In your words: "Not a perfect coach." "Novice." "Second guessed himself." "Questionable clock management." "(should have won) in 2000." Hmmmmmm... His game day...

I find it interesting that anyone who is intellectually honest about his triumphs, faults, successes, and missteps is considered to have "disdain" for him. Especially in the last few years when the debate was whether he should be hired by UM while he couldn't win a game or recruit at one of the...

While he inherited a ****show, in six years, he won 10+ games once. So you have to get into the color and intangibles to put him in. First you have to overlook how he left, which is fine. So probably because every time his name comes up it coincides with him doing or badmouthing/ saying...