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I won't disagree with you about it starts with the punter and i doubt anyone will ever forget feagles. We all have PTSD from him. Talk about a headcase haha. Look i really think we're splitting hairs here. All i was trying to say was something @OriginalCanesCanesCanes just said in a post...

I get what you're saying, but if we are sooooo bad then anytime a fair catch wasn't called we'd get gashed right? Also our gunners got down the field pretty well. Lou doesn't hang em high like that all the time. A fair catch is more about your gunners than your punter my friend.

So Patke get no credit for anything but all the blame the previous year for everything? Punt return mainly depends on the returner wouldn't you agree? Who would you put back there? As for the KO return i think i would tend to agree, but i also think the NCAA has legislated KO return almost...

So we were good at punt and kickoff coverage and good at pat/fg but not at punt return. So we were good then at special teams. Thanks for proving my point

I think you're confusing 1 phase of special teams with the unit as a whole. teams is plural and if only 1 unit isn't up to snuff, but the other are really good bordering on elite then wouldn't your whole unit be at least good?

I never said they were. However to be historically #1 at net punting means our punt coverage unit was ELITE. How was our kick game this year? How was our kickoff game this year outside of 1 kickoff at NCstate, where we had like 17 kids out most of those on special teams I mean i get out Punt...

So do our specials teams still suck?