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I’m not saying Kelly isn’t a great coach. I’m not saying Diaz even has the potential to be a good coach. As I said to Chise, I think we’d need to look back and see how some of these coaches started their careers through the lens we look at Miami — otherwise we can use numbers in lots of ways.

If we lose our best players, we will have less experienced talent and likely have a drop off - but the roster isn’t set yet. I’m not here to defend Manny. I generally think coaches need a little time and don’t fully calculate Manny’s years as DC making him a 7 year coach...I also acknowledge...

I think it would be interesting to understand those early Clemson years of Dabo and what the losses looked like, etc... using the same lens that we’d use to watch our games. Were they WTF bad? What did the roster look like with the same lens we have for our rosters.

Indeed. He’s not going anywhere and there will likely be a predictable drop off next year, depending on who leaves early vs who stays. What we need to see in 2021 is are those problems you mentioned gone. The reality of CIS is a combination of that fringe plus their message board peacocks...

Already done in 2 years .... interesting... from 7-6 in 2018 to 8-2 in 2020... Numbers are fun. I hope Diaz succeeds because that means Miami succeeds meanwhile **** ND because they are ND... If comparing a second year coach to successful veterans after they’ve been successful was easy in...

I don’t look for the ghost of Manny Diaz in everything or thread. He’s also not getting fired after year two. or a way to defend other teams and coaches over Miami... I don’t care the name of our coach, but it’s not great to have a new one every season, or game, or series.... If some ND fans...

Agreed. Good thing for ND the fans that “saw everything they needed to see to know Kelly wasn’t the guy” got extra data points. That and we’re not going to stop our posters from being envious of every other coach, at every school, at every level....

When we played ND in South Bend, there were fans rooting for them to lose hoping Kelly would be canned...but now he’s not getting fired any time soon I don’t remember the lust for Kelly on CIS when we knocked their ****s in the dirt at Hard Rock.