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No that only messes up your ability to see. There were plenty of aircraft flying in that area.

I saw him say that too and all I can think about was it was their time. They couldn’t do anything about it

What’s crazy to me is the heli can fly comfortably at 10,000 ft. It was only at 2,100 when the dual engine failure happened.

Trust me it’s not as difficult as it seems. It’s just when things go south they go REALLY SOUTH

I know I believe that SoCal did reach them because they responded to the ident. That’s all I was trying to say.

Yep but The helicopter could hear ATC but ATC couldn’t hear them. ATC told them to ident and they did. We won’t know what was said on the helicopter until the black box audio is released.

He didn’t need special clearance to take off he was asking for a special vfr clearance which it seems to me ot was granted by ATC. That is not where the problem occurred. when he approached the area that the helicopter crashed the pilot asked for flight following because the pilot knew the...