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I did say NYC -- which excludes Upstate and Western NY.

Looking at NYC as an entity unto itself is very different from looking at NY State as a whole .I had mentioned McGuire. Bass, I don't remember. Burt was from Buffalo and Vinnie was from Elmont, technically not NYC (by not living in NYC he got to play better competition in Nassau County on Long...

I agree about NYC HS football. It sucks, and always has. We did get Stephen McGuire, and John Brockington was a great RB for Ohio State back in the day, but ... those type guys are anomalies. Jersey football is far superior.

Unfairly, UM is one of the worst-positioned schools to work toward becoming the old Oakland Raiders of college football.