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I don't think you realize how bad Selmer was. He was giving consolation prizes and "atta boys" after tough losses. And this was before it became fashionable or "PC" to give out participation trophies.

We all tired of it. I lived through it all in the 70's. I'm not anxious for it to reappear. I'm just trying to talk the suicidal back from the edge. It's been worse. The 70's were less then mediocrity.

Didn't say he was. Just pointing out that statistics can prove anything you want.

Nobody knew that then. Then the refrain was "he lost with Howard's recruits".

No they don't … only the people that use them . If you were to take a snapshot of JJ's closing record on January 2 1984, his last three games were historic L's: the largest second half comeback in NCAA history (against MD), the "Hail Flutie" game, and the last second loss in the Fiesta Bowl...