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MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread(Its still personal)

JD4 said:
I’d rather join the B10 but that seems like a long shot now
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Why do you say that mi amigo?

A LOT of stuff happening in the dark.

Even if/when the SEC steers clear of us, there's no way FOX (and the B1G) pass on a brand with football upside like the Miami Hurricanes
 
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5NC4 said:
Still going to be hard to get enough team votes to add them wouldn't it be. There should be enough NO votes to keep it from happening.

This is the one time Condi needs to go eat a fat ****!
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If ND were to join the conference and get the ACC a new TV deal, then that may save it with all teams intact. Don't see her being successful.
 
ATTENTION ALL MOPES

College Football is in the beginning stages of a massive shift. We may not like it, but it has been slowly creeping this way for a long time and will soon (within 10 years) look more like the NFL than we like to admit. Ever since the day that the first college basketball player stated that the pixels in the game that had his approximate stats represented him and he should be compensated, we have been on this road. Also, that is why we no longer have the NCAA game that we all loved so much.

The NIL was a long time coming and is now a reality. The schools that think of football as serious will be in one the the major conferences, and the ACC is NOT one of them. WE may end up with 64 schools that are major in football and the rest in a minor league of sorts. That larger league will treat players like employees of the University and they will have benefits. You can bet that some sort of agreement with the NFL will soon thereafter follow.

Get used to it, it is happening and there is nothing that we can do to stop it.
 
RVACane said:
I don’t know what she’ll accomplish but she’s more formidable than Rubio.
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I guess. If you say so.

She hasn't held an active political role in 15 years. She's been doing academic stuff (teaching, think tanks) ever since.

Look, we've had years worth of discussions about ND (not you and I, just in general) and we know they only care about two things impacting their football independence: money and an easy shot into the post-season. Nothing else matters.

I'm not comparing her to Li'l Marco on a personal level, I'm just pointing out that the political bully pulpit (particularly at a late stage) is not going to move the needle in college sports in 2023. ****, "AAU membership being a criterion" is no longer moving the needle. And Li'l Marco is a sitting US Senator and occasional Presidential candidate, so if you could expect a political voice to have impact, you'd think it would be his before someone else's who has been out of politics for 15 years.

I understand that some people want to wait and see and eat popcorn while Condi starts her highwire act. I'm just farther along the pathway of "there is literally nothing she can offer or produce that would interest Notre Dame". Trying to shame ND over their shameless attempt to plug Stanford-Cal for membership while they continue to sit on the sidelines? ND is as hypocritical as it gets, and I don't believe they can be shamed.

This just reminds me of the end of Princess Bride, when Count Rugen is asking Inigo Montoya what Inigo wants to spare Rugen's life...



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TheOriginalCane said:
Look, @Cane & Able , I respect your knowledge of the Big 10 and all of the machinations that have been going on.

And I'm not saying that Condi isn't making an effort.

But I will absolutely bet against her. She is bright and talented, and also vastly overrated in this arena. And she has no leverage. Zero.

You've been telling everyone how non-AAU F$U and Clemson are Big 10 1A and 1B due to TV viewership and Fox/CBS/NBC pulling the strings. Fine, I'll play along for the moment.

First, we have Stanford and Cal. ESPN only thought that the Pac 12 was worth $30M per school, and Stanford-Cal were mid-value Pac 12 schools anyhow, and arguably in the bottom 4. Apple TV offered the Pac 12 only $20M per school. And when the Big 12 had the CHANCE to take any additional Pac 12 schools, Oregon and Washington (both more valuable than Stanford and Cal) were only worth $30M each. So that means that by ALL available metrics, ALL available "willing seller/willing buyer" situations (you know, the process that determines FMV), we can set the value of Stanford and Cal at between $20M and $30M per year. Which would REDUCE the average payout of all ACC schools, not increase it.

Second, we have ND. Now, $65M per year from football is a nice number. But, again, given that the ACC is paying around $35M per school, you would need for two things to be true: (a) ND is WILLING to give away $28M of its $30M in monetary advantage to the ACC, simply to get what it basically already has, which is "games against ACC opponents"; and (b) if ND gives up $28M to (presumably) 14 existing ACC schools (momentarily setting aside the REDUCTION in payments to the ACC due to the additions of Stanford and Cal), then that means each ACC school would get...wait for it...an extra $2M per year by bringing ND into the fold. Annnnnnd...we are currently running behind the Big 10 by $25M per year. Not sure that this closes the gap.

Third, we have this miraculous "fourth school". Let's say it's SMU. Why? How? In what bizarre financial model does SMU "change the game", let alone fix any of the two preceding points (one where Stanford-Cal REDUCE the ACC payouts, the other where ND only increases the ACC payouts by $2M per school).

Look, you have spent countless hours telling us how the Big 10 is betting big on the "people want to see great matchups" promise. Now you are trying to convince us that new matchups involving Stanford and Cal and ND (maybe) and SMU will completely transform the game and lead to the ACC making anywhere close to Big 10 money? Yeah, this doesn't sound like anything you've said for months.

Now, even if we want to squeeze a bit of extra juice out...

---More conference games? So, if we JUUUUUST play 10 conference games, suddenly ESPN will back up the Brinks truck? This does not sound anywhere close to the truth, not when the 14 or 15 team ACC (without the powerhouses of Stanford, Cal, and SMU) are doing deals with The CW.

---OTA vs. streaming? You've spent months telling us how OTA ain't dead yet, and it's the primary driver, meanwhile we are supposed to believe "thar's gold in them there streaming hills" when ESPN is desperate to put more and more games on the ol' Plus-O, not to mention the fact that they LOVE the SEC far more than the ACC.

---Travel and regions? In a time when the SEC is slavishly holding to its tight-tight footprint, and the Big 10 finally caved to taking FOUR teams from the Pacific states, somehow we are supposed to believe that "only" two California teams (in probably the least sports-interested MSA in Cali) are going to be a revenue driver? And, look, I can wrap my head around people in the east having the willingness to stay up past midnight on a Saturday to watch USC or UCLA, but I don't think you've factored in the concept that NOBODY in California is going to be getting up at 9 am to watch the vast majority of the east-coast ACC teams play noon EST games. Maybe in Vegas/Reno, and I've actually watched some noon Miami games out there in the casinos. But come on, now...

And finally, let's sum this up. WHY would ND and the rest of the ACC do ANYTHING that Condoleezza Rice asks? Because she's a great debater? Because she has naked photos of certain ACC presidents? Look, I realize she's done some admirable things in the political arena, and has parlayed that into a grossly undeserved role with the CFP selection committee. But if you're trying to convince us that a little Condi-jawing will FINALLY convince ND to give up its football independence after decades of EVERY OTHER LOGICAL ARGUMENT leading to failure...

Well, choose to believe what you want. You're a good guy with fantastic information. You've given me a lot of new things to consider, such as the demographic shifts within the United States, and the fact that not every TV sports viewer is some 17-year-old cable-cutter who knows how to stream games on dark-net websites.

But you're also accustomed to dealing with the smarter university presidents and conference commissioners. You haven't spent enough time dealing with the morons and no-visionaries of the ACC.

Look, the ACC has backed itself into a corner. There are no financial avenues forward that will allow us to match the Big 10/SEC levels of cash-money. So, who knows, maybe some of our idiot ACC presidents like Julio Frenk will be bamboozled into the fools' gold of Stanford-Cal. But if we keep falling for this banana in the tailpipe, then we will blow our chance. The Big 10 will wake up and realize that USF is an AAU school in a market that ACTUALLY watches football rabidly (unlike the SF Bay Area). And then schools like F$U and Clemson and Miami will truly be ****-out-of-luck.

I respectfully decline Wesley Snipes' advice, and I bet against Condoleezza Rice in this situation.
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The one thing you aren't contemplating here is that ESPN would have to pony up and ND would not have to share any of their $65M. Obviously NBC has to play along.
 
Ispyin said:
Yes I’m sure you’re right. Same guy raising over $100 million for a football facility wants to make sure his legacy in retirement is basically burying the program forever in his wake. Completely tracks.
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I love how you get so upset about jokes…

His comments on the conference were his, not message board posters. The perception of our position in the ACC is being used against us successfully in recruiting.

How does the baseball hire track?

I know you think trying to see things from more than one perspective is being bipolar, but I’ll try to help:
- Conference: bad look
- Baseball: terrible hire
- Facilities: Massive win
 
dycane said:
Anyone who thinks Miami has any reasonable track to the SEC or B10 is mistaken imo. We’re likely ****ed. Might as well hope for the best reconstitution of the ACC as possible.
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I guess you haven't actually read any of the 595 previous pages or actually researched the B10 expansion goals. UM is B10 bound ... timing and the negotiated deal by the B10 are the only details lacking. Lot of behind the scenes activity. Enjoy the season and look forward to a bright future.
 
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AuoraCane said:
The one thing you aren't contemplating here is that ESPN would have to pony up and ND would not have to share any of their $65M. Obviously NBC has to play along.
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ESPN would pony up FOR WHAT? NBC has already offered ND $65M. Is Notre Dame planning to play 18 regular season games in order to give enough inventory to the ACC so that ESPN is able to afford all this "pony up" money that ESPN would give to the ACC?
 
TheOriginalCane said:
ESPN would pony up FOR WHAT? NBC has already offered ND $65M. Is Notre Dame planning to play 18 regular season games in order to give enough inventory to the ACC so that ESPN is able to afford all this "pony up" money that ESPN would give to the ACC?
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ESPN would have to chip in more so that everyone is happy. Look I don't know all the numbers. But obviously ND isn't joining to subsidize the rest of the ACC.
 
hurricaneman said:
I would like to hear an explanation as to why Frenk would have a problem leaving for the BIG10. Given his background, it seems he would welcome a move into that conference, as it is arguably a better academic conference, especially from a research perspective. Unless it's purely financial and his opinion is that it will cost UM more money than it's worth.
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Frenk’s contract isn’t even going to get renewed. I don’t think a decision as long term as conference realignment/designation is going to involve him.
 
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5NC4 said:
You think they get 12 votes? I don't. I believe they get 4 no's minimum. Programs know they are **** out of luck to compete getting so underpaid in the long haul.

Condi can eat the corn out of my **** if she pulls this off because the programs in this conference will not be able to compete financially with the B1G and SEC.
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Not without Notre Dumb I don’t….just saying if they would decide to join full time she may have a shot because the only way they’d join would be WITH a revaluation of the GOR….The Irish ain’t joining anything to take a 30-40 million dollar a year cut in pay..
 
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Rickd said:
I guess you haven't actually read any of the 595 previous pages or actually researched the B10 expansion goals. UM is B10 bound ... timing and the negotiated deal by the B10 are the only details lacking. Lot of behind the scenes activity. Enjoy the season and look forward to a bright future.
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I look forward to every UM season, and will continue to do so, no matter what conference we’re in.

Tell me, specifically, about the behind the scenes activity that leads you to this conclusion.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I guess. If you say so.

She hasn't held an active political role in 15 years. She's been doing academic stuff (teaching, think tanks) ever since.

Look, we've had years worth of discussions about ND (not you and I, just in general) and we know they only care about two things impacting their football independence: money and an easy shot into the post-season. Nothing else matters.

I'm not comparing her to Li'l Marco on a personal level, I'm just pointing out that the political bully pulpit (particularly at a late stage) is not going to move the needle in college sports in 2023. ****, 100 of AAU membership being a criterion is no longer moving the needle. And Li'l Marco is a sitting US Senator and occasional Presidential candidate, so if you could expect a political voice to have impact, you'd think it would be his before someone else's who has been out of politics for 15 years.

I understand that some people want to wait and see and eat popcorn while Condi starts her highwire act. I'm just farther along the pathway of "there is literally nothing she can offer or produce that would interest Notre Dame". Shame over their shameless attempt to plug Stanford-Cal for membership while they continue to sit on the sidelines? ND is as hypocritical as it gets, and I don't believe they can be shamed.

This just reminds me of the end of Princess Bride, when Count Rugen is asking Inigo Montoya what Inigo wants to spare Rugen's life...



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Who hired her?
 
Rickd said:
I guess you haven't actually read any of the 595 previous pages or actually researched the B10 expansion goals. UM is B10 bound ... timing and the negotiated deal by the B10 are the only details lacking. Lot of behind the scenes activity. Enjoy the season and look forward to a bright future.
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Let’s hope so. I’m trying to convince myself the lack of news out of Coral Gables results in your scenario.

We’ll see.
 
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