Trump wants to totally control the $500 billion slush fund for big business

Fightinibis

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Cut the crap.

1. He shut down "air travel from China" to be effective February 2. Coronavirus was already in the US by then.
2. That "ban" did not apply to Americans coming from China. So, yeah, "shutting down air travel from China" didn't actually happen.
3. What about connecting flights? Whoops.


"At a House subcommittee hearing on the coronavirus on Feb. 5, Ron Klain, White House Ebola response coordinator under the Obama administration, took issue with the characterization of the travel restrictions as a travel “ban.”

“We don’t have a travel ban,” Klain said. “We have a travel Band-Aid right now. First, before it was imposed, 300,000 people came here from China in the previous month. So, the horse is out of the barn.”

There’s no restriction on Americans going back and forth,” Klain said. “There are warnings. People should abide by those warnings. But today, 30 planes will land in Los Angeles that either originated in Beijing or came here on one-stops, 30 in San Francisco, 25 in New York City. Okay? So, unless we think that the color of the passport someone carries is a meaningful public health restriction, we have not placed a meaningful public health restriction.”

Indeed, on Jan. 24, a week before the travel restrictions, the CDC confirmed two cases of the novel coronavirus in the U.S. from people who had returned from Wuhan, China, where the outbreak began.

Furthermore, Klain said, the import of goods from China is exempt from the travel restrictions, “and, of course, the people who fly the planes and drive the boats that bring those goods from China. We couldn’t ban that activity. We vitally need that. Ninety percent of the antibiotics in this country come from China. All kinds of vital medical supplies … we will use to treat people. So, travel bans … that’s not what we’re imposing, that’s not what exists.
I love the Obama "Administration" taking issue with ANYTHING. Fucking laughable. Maybe we should put $150 billion in cash on a plane to China now?!?

I guess his sit back and do nothing approach with H1N1 was preferable...lmfao. 12,000 plus dead.
 

TheOriginalCane

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I love the Obama "Administration" taking issue with ANYTHING. Fucking laughable. Maybe we should put $150 billion in cash on a plane to China now?!?

I guess his sit back and do nothing approach with H1N1 was preferable...lmfao. 12,000 plus dead.

I've already posted this in another thread.

Obama did NOT "sit back and do nothing". You are wrong.

First cases arose in California on March 28, 2009, but was not identified by the CDC as H1N1 until April 17, 2009.

On April 22, 2009, the CDC activated its Emergency Operations Center.

On April 25, 2009, WHO declared a public health emergency.

On April 26, 2009, a public health emergency was declared in the US. This public health emergency declaration was renewed twice. In October 2009, during the SECOND WAVE of swine flu, the status was elevated to national emergency.

By October 2009, we also had a vaccine.

As for your 12,000 fatalities number, that is an estimate. The confirmed H1N1 death number is around 3,400. If you really want to compare apples to apples, you should "estimate" a much higher death toll number for Coronavirus, even at this early stage, since the confirmed fatalities are usually much lower than the estimated fatalities. At least, if you were trying to make a good-faith honest politics-free comparison between the swine flu outbreak response and the Coronavirus outbreak response.
 

Fightinibis

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I've already posted this in another thread.

Obama did NOT "sit back and do nothing". You are wrong.

First cases arose in California on March 28, 2009, but was not identified by the CDC as H1N1 until April 17, 2009.

On April 22, 2009, the CDC activated its Emergency Operations Center.

On April 25, 2009, WHO declared a public health emergency.

On April 26, 2009, a public health emergency was declared in the US. This public health emergency declaration was renewed twice. In October 2009, during the SECOND WAVE of swine flu, the status was elevated to national emergency.

By October 2009, we also had a vaccine.

As for your 12,000 fatalities number, that is an estimate. The confirmed H1N1 death number is around 3,400. If you really want to compare apples to apples, you should "estimate" a much higher death toll number for Coronavirus, even at this early stage, since the confirmed fatalities are usually much lower than the estimated fatalities. At least, if you were trying to make a good-faith honest politics-free comparison between the swine flu outbreak response and the Coronavirus outbreak response.
Incorrect. The CDC does not swing and miss by 8,000 plus cases, sorry....

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html
 

TheOriginalCane

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Incorrect. The CDC does not swing and miss by 8,000 plus cases, sorry....

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html

You are clueless.

From your own post:

From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.

Even in YOUR OWN CITATION, the ESTIMATED death count could be 50% lower than the number 12,469 that is estimated. IN YOUR OWN CITATION, THERE IS A SPREAD OF NEARLY 10,000. So, yeah, CDC does "swing and miss" by 8,000.

On the other hand, there were 3,433 CONFIRMED deaths in the US due to H1N1.

I understand that it's hard for you to understand the difference between confirmed deaths and estimated deaths.

Now, let's flip to the current day. How many CONFIRMED deaths are there from Coronavirus? Currently, all of them are confirmed deaths. But, at some point in the future, the CDC is going to ESTIMATE a death count based on the fact that so few cases were actually tested and confirmed. And that "estimate" will be much higher.

So, my point is absolutely correct. Currently, the "I love Trumpers" are trying to compare a CONFIRMED death count for Coronavirus (a few hundred after only a couple of months) to an ESTIMATED death count for 2009-2010 swine flu, in order to draw questionable political conclusions.

The fact remains, there were only 3,433 CONFIRMED deaths due to swine flu. I can certainly understand why the ESTIMATE would be higher. But if you want to be honest, and make an honest comparison, then you have to acknowledge that the EVENTUAL ESTIMATE of Coronavirus deaths is going to be a much larger number than the current confirmed deaths number.
 

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President Trump has already said where he wants some of the money to go, promising assistance to cruise ship companies, for example, that have operations in Miami. And when he was asked Monday evening who would perform oversight of the program, Trump responded, “I’ll be the oversight.”

Can you imagine this-- Trump as the "OVERSIGHT" for a $500 billion slush fund. It would be like letting the fox into the hen house. Just like the Trillion dollar bailout where 85% went to the 1% of society, the average worker would be left with nothing.

This is where the blame belongs. His delay has killed hundreds, and soon thousands.
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I guess you must be really furious that close to 20k people died from the swine flu in 2009/10 with the God as president and every year when the flu kills about 60k people.

you sir, are fake news
 

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This is great. Americans fighting each other like food fight bitches, toilet paper stacked up the waneenee, belittling and marginalizing each other. Space aliens are watching, with blow torches loaded and cocked...
 

Fightinibis

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You are clueless.

From your own post:

From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.

Even in YOUR OWN CITATION, the ESTIMATED death count could be 50% lower than the number 12,469 that is estimated. IN YOUR OWN CITATION, THERE IS A SPREAD OF NEARLY 10,000. So, yeah, CDC does "swing and miss" by 8,000.

On the other hand, there were 3,433 CONFIRMED deaths in the US due to H1N1.

I understand that it's hard for you to understand the difference between confirmed deaths and estimated deaths.

Now, let's flip to the current day. How many CONFIRMED deaths are there from Coronavirus? Currently, all of them are confirmed deaths. But, at some point in the future, the CDC is going to ESTIMATE a death count based on the fact that so few cases were actually tested and confirmed. And that "estimate" will be much higher.

So, my point is absolutely correct. Currently, the "I love Trumpers" are trying to compare a CONFIRMED death count for Coronavirus (a few hundred after only a couple of months) to an ESTIMATED death count for 2009-2010 swine flu, in order to draw questionable political conclusions.

The fact remains, there were only 3,433 CONFIRMED deaths due to swine flu. I can certainly understand why the ESTIMATE would be higher. But if you want to be honest, and make an honest comparison, then you have to acknowledge that the EVENTUAL ESTIMATE of Coronavirus deaths is going to be a much larger number than the current confirmed deaths number.
Yep, and from same prior post, you poor sad part of the corrupt herd....I said the CDC DOES not swing and miss by 8,000 plus deaths.

They were not estimating BEFORE the people died, they were estimating the BODY COUNT Einstein.

Sure, if estimates were 12,467 and they found out that they were off by 425 that actually dies by another cause, that would be in the non-leftist, fake news and numbers to protect Obama and Clinton at all costs MARGIN OF ERROR. 8,000??? Uh, no such margin of error has ever existed....unless we are talking about number of dead people voting for your socialist heroes in many counties and states.
 

SWFLSWAGG17

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Trumps dad suffered from Alzheimers, which can be genetic.

I'd like to know the
origins of this Biden mental stuff seeing
as Trump has had just as many if not more verbal gaffes AND he has a family medical history of the disease.

Isnt that right, Tim Apple ?
If you think President Trump makes anywhere near the same amount or type of mistakes Uncle Joe does you really have the TDS bad. You are way off base.
 

NC_Canes_11

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Any response to the bill barring any money going to companies Trump or Pence own or invest in, but the same isn’t enforced for any other member of Congress or senate?
 
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If you think President Trump makes anywhere near the same amount or type of mistakes Uncle Joe does you really have the TDS bad. You are way off base.
Let's compare and do a gane of tit for tat. No sense in bluster. You drop one of Bidens. I'll drop one of Trumps.

We'll be here all month. Just the other day he referred to Idaho and Nebraska as countries.

TDS is another myth. It kinda works like this.

TRUMP: You need ID to buy breakfast cereal. (He really said this btw).

ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN: Wuuut?!?! No you dont. Wtf is he talking about ???

RED HATS: tDs. TdS. tDs. Liberal media bias. You libtards are deranged.
 
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SWFLSWAGG17

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Let's compare and do a gane of tit for tat. No sense in bluster. You drop one of Bidens. I'll drop one of Trumps.

We'll be here all month.

TDS is another myth. It kinda works like this.

TRUMP: You need ID to buy breakfast cereal. (He really said this btw).

ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN: Wuuut?!?! No you dont. Wtf is he talking about ???

RED HATS: tDs. TdS. tDs. Liberal media bias. You libtards are deranged.
Poor kids are as smart as white kids. Check Mate.
 

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Any response to the bill barring any money going to companies Trump or Pence own or invest in, but the same isn’t enforced for any other member of Congress or senate?
Got a source for that? I mean a real source with text from the bill, not some opinion piece.
 

JD08

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This is great. Americans fighting each other like food fight bitches, toilet paper stacked up the waneenee, belittling and marginalizing each other. Space aliens are watching, with blow torches loaded and cocked...
Thank you for giving me hope that there's an end to this.
 

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Got a source for that? I mean a real source with text from the bill, not some opinion piece.
Not in this one. There are rumors of a bill to further gut the Stock Act and protect the members from prosecution, should something like last week happen again.

Its definitely speculation at this point, I’m just asking for comment since OP posted this clearly partisan thread.
 

JD08

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Not in this one. There are rumors of a bill to further gut the Stock Act and protect the members from prosecution, should something like last week happen again.

Its definitely speculation at this point, I’m just asking for comment since OP posted this clearly partisan thread.
Sarcasm. Didn't catch it. My bad.
 
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