The Tale of Dan Penos: Failure In Numbers

DerekDohrman

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that arkansas offense was good the year before he got there as well

coley was already Co-OC at georgia. so im guessing he turned down a Co-OC job there, and most likely what was going to be one at bama, to come here to be the sole OC.

this isnt a slamdunk, homerun hire. but it is a safe one

we’ll see.
 

Robert Goulet

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People are enjoying hyping themselves over the “Bama OC” title he’s held for two weeks, even though he’s never called a single play for Saban.

There’s also rampant and furious masturbation due to the fact that Georgia is rumored to have offered, too. That’s fine, but if you look deeper than that at metrics of substance and numbers that quantify his actual output coaching offenses, there isn’t much to get excited about. There isn’t a pattern showing a history of routinely fielding great offenses.

Let’s look at the results. This is a post examining cold hard facts and indisputable numbers — Not one about who’s rumored to be pursuing him, or his job title, but objective stats. Stats Penos can’t escape.

He was the head coach at Central Michigan from 2010-2014. He had full control of that team. He could’ve run any offense he wanted. Here’s what he did:

Total offense:
2010: 49th
2011: 57th
2012: 64th
2013: 110th
2014: 70th

So he winds up in Arkansas with that Butthead looking weirdo Belima. Here’s what he does as offensive coordinator:

2015: 25th
2016: 54th
2017: 94th

If you look at just his resume alone, he’s a terrible candidate. Not only is he not a fit for the style that best suits us AND the one Manny claimed to want, he has nothing in his history to indicate he’s capable of engineering highly powered and productive offenses.

You throw his resume up against a guy like Fedora’s and he gets absolutely run out of the building. People like him because they hear “Alabama offensive coordinator” and we’re so desperate to be good we’ll like anything, so they build a small fire and grunt around it “hur hur Saban hur hur Bama OC” without delving any further into his past production or style.

Coming back to the facts:

Penos produced ONE respectable offensive unit in SEVEN seasons.

We can post homerun gifs or talk about which coaches wanted him, but when it has come time to put a successful offense on the field, he’s failed to do so 85% of the seasons he’s coached.

And those remain the facts.

I hope he has some late-career revelation that turns him into an offensive savant, but as of now, all he’s proven is that’s he’s a journeyman guy running an offense that seldom produces and is pretty opposite of what Manny said he wanted.

God help us all.
The fact that this Gator runs his mouth all time, has 20,000 posts and is slurped on by most of you is pretty telling about a lot of things.
 

ilovelamp51

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It's almost like Saban/Smart didn't read the OP before pursuing him.

/even after Saban revamped his offense to be more cutting edge
 

RepTheGables

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From all appearances, he's well-respected by his peers and was the top choice for Saban and Kirby.

I think we have to look at YPP and PPP against peer teams in order to really evaluate him as an OC. Lance will be the one to do that, so I'm willing to wait and see what transpires.
 

cyrez8

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Presenting the numbers that way renders your assertions incorrect from the start.
 

JohnZarrilli

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S&P offensive rank while OC at Arkansas, which adjusts for competition:
2015- 4th
2016- 39th
2017- 43rd

I’m not saying this is a homerun hire or the long-term solution, but to go from a bottom quarter offense to a top 40 offense will make a significant difference in the W-L column so long as our defense produces like it has the past couple years.
 

For_The_U

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You do realize that using offense stats vs all other CFB teams when a guy is at Arkansas isn't going to be a great reflection of how good or not good he is as a coach, right?
 

407cane

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S&P offensive rank while OC at Arkansas, which adjusts for competition:
2015- 4th
2016- 39th
2017- 43rd

I’m not saying this is a homerun hire or the long-term solution, but to go from a bottom quarter offense to a top 40 offense will make a significant difference in the W-L column so long as our defense produces like it has the past couple years.
this is 100x more telling than total offensive yardage like OP mentioned

Also 2016 Arkansas had 6.83 yards per play. We're way better now
 

supacane

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Well i dont look at just the numbers, i like the design of the plays he run. They say numbers don't lie, but to put all of them into context we would need to dive into the makeup of the team personnel etc. Also at CMU, was he actually the OC as well as the HC?
We can say it counts for nothing but if the best all time Coach in the business says this guy is good enough for his OC we can atleast give the guy a chance here....without the excessive blind worship. Many good coaches got fired and redeemed themselves including Diaz.
 

mossmadness

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Yep. This is literally the only reason people are excited. The SEC little brother syndrome is strong with our fanbase.
While at the same time most of college football hates what the SEC does offensively. It's how they recruit and how they play offense that most people envy.
Their schemes have always been regarded as being stuck in the past and a detriment to winning. Something that must be overcome to win. And yet, this is the part of the SEC we just copied.
 

Twhizman

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People are enjoying hyping themselves over the “Bama OC” title he’s held for two weeks, even though he’s never called a single play for Saban.

There’s also rampant and furious masturbation due to the fact that Georgia is rumored to have offered, too. That’s fine, but if you look deeper than that at metrics of substance and numbers that quantify his actual output coaching offenses, there isn’t much to get excited about. There isn’t a pattern showing a history of routinely fielding great offenses.

Let’s look at the results. This is a post examining cold hard facts and indisputable numbers — Not one about who’s rumored to be pursuing him, or his job title, but objective stats. Stats Penos can’t escape.

He was the head coach at Central Michigan from 2010-2014. He had full control of that team. He could’ve run any offense he wanted. Here’s what he did:

Total offense:
2010: 49th
2011: 57th
2012: 64th
2013: 110th
2014: 70th

Scoring Offense:
2010: 82nd
2011: 91st
2012: 64th
2013: 96th
2014: 81st

So he winds up in Arkansas with that Butthead looking weirdo Belima. Here’s what he does as offensive coordinator:

Total Offenss:
2015: 25th
2016: 54th
2017: 94th

Scoring Offense:
2015: 27th
2016: 57th
2017: 61st

If you look at just his resume alone, he’s a terrible candidate. Not only is he not a fit for the style that best suits us AND the one Manny claimed to want, he has nothing in his history to indicate he’s capable of engineering highly powered and productive offenses. He can’t move the ball. He can’t score.

You throw his resume up against a guy like Fedora’s and he gets absolutely run out of the building. People like him because they hear “Alabama offensive coordinator” and we’re so desperate to be good we’ll like anything, so they build a small fire and grunt around it “hur hur Saban hur hur Bama OC” without delving any further into his past production or style.

Coming back to the facts:

Penos produced ONE respectable offensive unit in SEVEN seasons.

We can post homerun gifs or talk about which coaches wanted him, but when it has come time to put a successful offense on the field, he’s failed to do so 85% of the seasons he’s coached.

And those remain the facts.

I hope he has some late-career revelation that turns him into an offensive savant, but as of now, all he’s proven is that’s he’s a journeyman guy running an offense that seldom produces and is pretty opposite of what Manny said he wanted.

God help us all.
Was he the oc or a position coach those years.what was the type of talent did he have to work with.what were the stat for his qbs.what was offensive rank before he got there.there's a post here shows how his offenses have improved from the first day he got there.are you checking all these things or just picking stats that support your agenda.
 
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