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Philly bringing back mask mandate

TheEye

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I’m losing track as to whether dropping mandates is for political reasons, or restoring them is for political reasons.
 

ithacane

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I’m losing track as to whether dropping mandates is for political reasons, or restoring them is for political reasons.
I’m still confused in general why any masks are used still (specifically for 2-4 year olds). Especially when John Hopkins study came out and said essentially that they were useless.

But I think it’s like a lot of things with p-analytics. They use it both ways. One to stoke fear and seem like they care and then after it uses up it’s usefulness and people get tired of it… they remove it to look good on the other end of it.
 

TheEye

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I’m still confused in general why any masks are used still (specifically for 2-4 year olds). Especially when John Hopkins study came out and said essentially that they were useless.
people can be wrong without political aspirations or dreams of control.
 

JD08

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I’m still confused in general why any masks are used still (specifically for 2-4 year olds). Especially when John Hopkins study came out and said essentially that they were useless.

But I think it’s like a lot of things with p-analytics. They use it both ways. One to stoke fear and seem like they care and then after it uses up it’s usefulness and people get tired of it… they remove it to look good on the other end of it.
It's politicians we're talking about. One of their biggest fears is being accused of doing nothing. There are still enough people who are conditioned to think masks work that they have to respond.

 

NC_Canes_11

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It's politicians we're talking about. One of their biggest fears is being accused of doing nothing. There are still enough people who are conditioned to think masks work that they have to respond.


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miamifan007

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I’m still confused in general why any masks are used still (specifically for 2-4 year olds). Especially when John Hopkins study came out and said essentially that they were useless.

But I think it’s like a lot of things with p-analytics. They use it both ways. One to stoke fear and seem like they care and then after it uses up it’s usefulness and people get tired of it… they remove it to look good on the other end of it.
Can you please link the study?
 

JD08

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Just listen to the CDC. But ignore the fine print where it says the study wasn't statistically significant.

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Just listen to the CDC. But ignore the fine print where it says the study wasn't statistically significant.

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"The findings in this report are subject to at least eight limitations. First, this study did not account for other preventive behaviors that could influence risk for acquiring infection, including adherence to physical distancing recommendations. In addition, generalizability of this study is limited to persons seeking SARS-CoV-2 testing and who were willing to participate in a telephone interview, who might otherwise exercise other protective behaviors. Second, this analysis relied on an aggregate estimate of self-reported face mask or respirator use across, for some participants, multiple indoor public locations. However, the study was designed to minimize recall bias by enrolling both case- and control-participants within a 48-hour window of receiving a SARS-CoV-2 test result. Third, small strata limited the ability to differentiate between types of cloth masks or participants who wore different types of face masks in differing settings, and also resulted in wider CIs and statistical nonsignificance for some estimates that were suggestive of a protective effect. Fourth, estimates do not account for face mask or respirator fit or the correctness of face mask or respirator wearing; assessing the effectiveness of face mask or respirator use under real-world conditions is nonetheless important for developing policy. Fifth, data collection occurred before the expansion of the SARS-CoV-2 B.1.1.529 (Omicron) variant, which is more transmissible than earlier variants. Sixth, face mask or respirator use was self-reported, which could introduce social desirability bias. Seventh, small strata limited the ability to account for reasons for testing in the adjusted analysis, which may be correlated with face mask or respirator use. Finally, this analysis does not account for potential differences in the intensity of exposures, which could vary by duration, ventilation system, and activity in each of the various indoor public settings visited."
 

JD08

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"The findings in this report are subject to at least eight limitations. First, this study did not account for other preventive behaviors that could influence risk for acquiring infection, including adherence to physical distancing recommendations. In addition, generalizability of this study is limited to persons seeking SARS-CoV-2 testing and who were willing to participate in a telephone interview, who might otherwise exercise other protective behaviors. Second, this analysis relied on an aggregate estimate of self-reported face mask or respirator use across, for some participants, multiple indoor public locations. However, the study was designed to minimize recall bias by enrolling both case- and control-participants within a 48-hour window of receiving a SARS-CoV-2 test result. Third, small strata limited the ability to differentiate between types of cloth masks or participants who wore different types of face masks in differing settings, and also resulted in wider CIs and statistical nonsignificance for some estimates that were suggestive of a protective effect. Fourth, estimates do not account for face mask or respirator fit or the correctness of face mask or respirator wearing; assessing the effectiveness of face mask or respirator use under real-world conditions is nonetheless important for developing policy. Fifth, data collection occurred before the expansion of the SARS-CoV-2 B.1.1.529 (Omicron) variant, which is more transmissible than earlier variants. Sixth, face mask or respirator use was self-reported, which could introduce social desirability bias. Seventh, small strata limited the ability to account for reasons for testing in the adjusted analysis, which may be correlated with face mask or respirator use. Finally, this analysis does not account for potential differences in the intensity of exposures, which could vary by duration, ventilation system, and activity in each of the various indoor public settings visited."
But none of the issues with it ever get reported and they know it. All the chattering masses do is take the number from the pretty picture and say, "The CDC says..."
 

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Is this the midterm variant? Or the sustain the panic variant that fills the gap, before the midterm variant?


Exactly.

Right up there with China's variant that is causing the shut-down of factories that build iPhone chips and other items that impact our day-to-day.

The perfect fire they can keep throwing gas on when necessary.

Need to push more boosters? Crank up the 'Vid. Need to "win" another election? 'Vid fear porn for the win.
 

PanteraCanes

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Exactly.

Right up there with China's variant that is causing the shut-down of factories that build iPhone chips and other items that impact our day-to-day.

The perfect fire they can keep throwing gas on when necessary.

Need to push more boosters? Crank up the 'Vid. Need to "win" another election? 'Vid fear porn for the win.
Wonder at what point businesses start to move out of China?
 
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