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From @The_Reid: how bad are the sanctions Miami could be looking at? Penn State territory?
At this point, no one really knows exactly how severe the sanctions will be. As I wrote in the spring, I've heard that Miami is likely to self-sanction another post-season this year at some point in the fall. I suspect that'll happen no later than after Miami loses for the second time this fall, which realistically could be by late September/early October. It might happen sooner than that. That'd mean, technically, that UM would've self-sanctioned two post-season bowl bans.
Given the severity of what actually happened at Penn State, I don't see the NCAA coming down with a punishment equal to what Mark Emmert just dropped on PSU. Penn State re-defined what we think of as a scandal as it relates to college sports, especially in regards to a cover-up and abuse of power, and all of the harm that it led to.
I could see the NCAA going with something along the lines of a three-year post-season ban and 10 scholarship hits per year on Miami though—adding to what the school already had imposed on itself. It'd be worse than USC's punishment but not at the level of what Penn State just got.
UM people will also point out that the school has cooperated with the NCAA. Back when USC got hammered a few years back, we heard plenty about how AD Mike Garrett handled the NCAA investigation only inflamed the situation, and it's no stretch to think that attitude only added to level of punishment. Still, with the USC case, the NCAA was essentially going after one player, albeit as then COI chairman Paul Dee (yeah, the same former Miami AD linked to this Nevin Shapiro mess ironically enough) said a “high-profile” athlete, whereas there have been dozens of UM players allegedly involved, and many of them were punished by the NCAA in 2011.
Beyond USC and Penn State, we've also seen recent NCAA justice as it relates to UNC, Ohio State and UCF. The Miami case that it seems to be most similar to of those five is UCF. (The Knights were “cited” for a Lack of Institutional Control and have to sit out a post-season in both football and basketball, were fined $50,000 and will be limited to 20 scholarships and 80 total for football over the next three years, among other punishments. Miami certainly appears to be headed for a LOIC charge, but who knows exactly what the NCAA can prove from the litany of things Nevin Shapiro detailed in the Yahoo report? It looks worse than UCF.
How much, if anything, will be connected to Al Golden? I'd expect Golden would make the case that whatever the assistant equipment guy (Pee Wee Allen) may have done wasn't something he would've had any knowledge of. Is that viable? How many new head coaches know what the backgrounds and involvements of staffers who aren't full-time assistant coaches are in such a quick transition?
“What I wonder with Golden and others is with this new proposed presumption of knowledge will COI members be looking to make an example out coaches in this case?” Dr. David Ridpath, Assistant Professor of Sports Administration at Ohio University told me Friday morning.
From @Scottiemo1: you think Hurtt resigns? Penalties possible for cards?
This is another fascinating subplot in the scandal. I'd be surprised if Clint Hurtt is a Louisville coach for the 2013 season. Friday morning brought the news that Florida receivers coach Aubrey Hill, a former UM assistant also mentioned in the Nevin Shapiro scandal, was stepping down for “personal reasons.” I've been told by multiple sources that the Miami coach that was most tied to Shapiro was Hurtt. Eventually, when the NCAA sanctions Miami and who knows exactly when that is, there is going to be fallout felt at some other programs. Whether he “resigns” or Charlie Strong is left with no choice by the NCAA to get rid of him because of sanctions placed on Hurtt, my hunch is Louisville will have to hire a new defensive line coach.
Even if Hurtt is now helping the NCAA in its' investigation here, it creates an intriguing dynamic given that he's recruiting against his former school, a program he can finger, yet he could continue on with his career, especially since he and his new program are benefitting from what he was reportedly heavily involved with at the previous place? That doesn't seem plausible.
As for Louisville being penalized for hiring Hurtt, I don't see how that could happen, but I'm sure the NCAA is going to examine very closely his recruiting tactics from his days at Miami to everything he has done at U of L.
At this point, no one really knows exactly how severe the sanctions will be. As I wrote in the spring, I've heard that Miami is likely to self-sanction another post-season this year at some point in the fall. I suspect that'll happen no later than after Miami loses for the second time this fall, which realistically could be by late September/early October. It might happen sooner than that. That'd mean, technically, that UM would've self-sanctioned two post-season bowl bans.
Given the severity of what actually happened at Penn State, I don't see the NCAA coming down with a punishment equal to what Mark Emmert just dropped on PSU. Penn State re-defined what we think of as a scandal as it relates to college sports, especially in regards to a cover-up and abuse of power, and all of the harm that it led to.
I could see the NCAA going with something along the lines of a three-year post-season ban and 10 scholarship hits per year on Miami though—adding to what the school already had imposed on itself. It'd be worse than USC's punishment but not at the level of what Penn State just got.
UM people will also point out that the school has cooperated with the NCAA. Back when USC got hammered a few years back, we heard plenty about how AD Mike Garrett handled the NCAA investigation only inflamed the situation, and it's no stretch to think that attitude only added to level of punishment. Still, with the USC case, the NCAA was essentially going after one player, albeit as then COI chairman Paul Dee (yeah, the same former Miami AD linked to this Nevin Shapiro mess ironically enough) said a “high-profile” athlete, whereas there have been dozens of UM players allegedly involved, and many of them were punished by the NCAA in 2011.
Beyond USC and Penn State, we've also seen recent NCAA justice as it relates to UNC, Ohio State and UCF. The Miami case that it seems to be most similar to of those five is UCF. (The Knights were “cited” for a Lack of Institutional Control and have to sit out a post-season in both football and basketball, were fined $50,000 and will be limited to 20 scholarships and 80 total for football over the next three years, among other punishments. Miami certainly appears to be headed for a LOIC charge, but who knows exactly what the NCAA can prove from the litany of things Nevin Shapiro detailed in the Yahoo report? It looks worse than UCF.
How much, if anything, will be connected to Al Golden? I'd expect Golden would make the case that whatever the assistant equipment guy (Pee Wee Allen) may have done wasn't something he would've had any knowledge of. Is that viable? How many new head coaches know what the backgrounds and involvements of staffers who aren't full-time assistant coaches are in such a quick transition?
“What I wonder with Golden and others is with this new proposed presumption of knowledge will COI members be looking to make an example out coaches in this case?” Dr. David Ridpath, Assistant Professor of Sports Administration at Ohio University told me Friday morning.
From @Scottiemo1: you think Hurtt resigns? Penalties possible for cards?
This is another fascinating subplot in the scandal. I'd be surprised if Clint Hurtt is a Louisville coach for the 2013 season. Friday morning brought the news that Florida receivers coach Aubrey Hill, a former UM assistant also mentioned in the Nevin Shapiro scandal, was stepping down for “personal reasons.” I've been told by multiple sources that the Miami coach that was most tied to Shapiro was Hurtt. Eventually, when the NCAA sanctions Miami and who knows exactly when that is, there is going to be fallout felt at some other programs. Whether he “resigns” or Charlie Strong is left with no choice by the NCAA to get rid of him because of sanctions placed on Hurtt, my hunch is Louisville will have to hire a new defensive line coach.
Even if Hurtt is now helping the NCAA in its' investigation here, it creates an intriguing dynamic given that he's recruiting against his former school, a program he can finger, yet he could continue on with his career, especially since he and his new program are benefitting from what he was reportedly heavily involved with at the previous place? That doesn't seem plausible.
As for Louisville being penalized for hiring Hurtt, I don't see how that could happen, but I'm sure the NCAA is going to examine very closely his recruiting tactics from his days at Miami to everything he has done at U of L.
