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pacusmc

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It’s amazing that purported UM fans are knocking themselves out to defend small town Boss Hogg SEC schools on a Miami fan site.

When we talk about Klan schools - it’s somewhat fan hyperbole, and you closet SEC lovers know it. You just wanted to show your narrow thinking assess on here.

Here is the real deal: most universities, including SEC ones, have their share of progressives, liberals, leftists and very few “conservatives” - that is, on faculty and administration.

But when it comes to sports, and the money people, it’s dominated by old school, old family, moneyed southerners. More than a few descended from slave owning families. Even those that aren’t, are just one generation removed from “Bull Connor” types.

I am more than familiar with these smiling genteel southerners. Now please note, I’m not stereotyping all Southerners, nor any southern towns, or SEC towns, most people that live there are decent genuine people.

But if you don’t think there is an undercurrent of racism running through the moneyed boosters that supply the SEC bags you have your eyes closed to the reality of the situation. And these are the people that make things run.

When we say athletes go to tap dance for the klan, this is exactly what we’re talking about. This is who they’re taking their money from.

if you live in some small southern SEC town or just a small southern town, nobody’s saying you are racist - that’s not even the implication. Those days are gone. But to say that racism still doesn’t exist is insane, especially with the group I’m talking about.
Boy you go on and catch my football that I paid for with the money I donate!!
 

JOE'CANE

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It’s amazing that purported UM fans are knocking themselves out to defend small town Boss Hogg SEC schools on a Miami fan site (for you oversensitive types, this is hyperbolic humor).

When we talk about Klan schools - it’s somewhat fan hyperbole, and you closet SEC lovers know it. You just wanted to show your narrow thinking assess on here.

Here is the real deal: most universities, including SEC ones, have their share of progressives, liberals, leftists and very few “conservatives” - that is, on faculty and administration.

But when it comes to sports, and the money people, it’s dominated by old school, old family, moneyed southerners. More than a few descended from slave owning families. Even those that aren’t, are just one generation removed from “Bull Connor” types.

I am more than familiar with these smiling genteel southerners. Now please note, I’m not stereotyping all Southerners, nor any southern towns, or SEC towns, most people that live there are decent genuine people.

But if you don’t think there is an undercurrent of racism running through the moneyed boosters that supply the SEC bags you have your eyes closed to the reality of the situation. And these are the people that make things run.

When we say athletes go to tap dance for the klan, this is exactly what we’re talking about. This is who they’re taking their money from.

if you live in some small southern SEC town or just a small southern town, nobody’s saying you are racist - that’s not even the implication. Those days are gone. But to say that racism still doesn’t exist is insane, especially with the group I’m talking about.

(and before any of you nitwits calls me a liberal a leftist or something along those lines, I am not)
It's the economy stupid 💰💰💰💰💸💸💸💸. Alot of people stay arguing racism, it's not about that.

Even if your boss was racist if he was paying you enough you would happily be employed by a racist and find away to justify it. Why bc it will always be about economics first.
 

OriginalCanesCanesCanes

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It's the economy stupid 💰💰💰💰💸💸💸💸. Alot of people stay arguing racism, it's not about that.

Even if your boss was racist if he was paying you enough you would happily be employed by a racist and find away to justify it. Why bc it will always be about economics first.

That has nothing to do with my post. Does not change a thing I posted. Yes, generally people will go for the short term money. Some players even go where they may not get developed as well as somewhere else, because of a bigger bag. Not everyone though.
 

whos_who

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People like to think Clemson is Super Dirty in the recruiting game, but they can’t compete with UGA in that category. Boosters will booster, but in my opinion Dabo doesn’t enable the boosters like Smart does.
I think coaches like him are the "Do what ever you have to do" and we will never speak again type. plausible deniability I think it is. these boosters know who the top recruits are its public somewhere.
 

Damiencane86

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It would not be factual that there was a racist Alabama fan screaming his guts out when Ridley, Cooper, Jeudy or ps2 made a play?

It’s a quantum judgment to say that there are more kkk members in the cities I’ve stated than Miami?

Look I have no hate in me for any southerner that likes a rural lifestyle and southern cultural heritage unless that heritage includes racism. Absolutely inexcusable to label an entire population of a city as racist or kklanmembers.
Just like we hate it when the gator and FSU boards spit all the “Miami thug ghetto 5 rangs bro” sht.
The blatant assumptions were definitely what I found annoying and I see it constantly on this board, " kkk school " has become our retort to " thug U ". No need to stoop to that level, but I'm glad you clarified your stance with those last two sentences.
 

TheMatador

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1. UGA is the most under achieving program in CFB history. They are dropping bags like the 80's SMU teams and still cant win.

2. Clemson board is concerned with Dabo recruiting is laughable.
Funny thing is, our "recruiting coordinator" of the later Schnellenberger years was prior to that, involved in recruiting for SMU during the Craig James-Eric Dickerson recruiting years. It was a woman, Suzy Wilkoff.

Later, we always had a man. When JJ came in, he named Butch. Then we went to a dedicated RC, like Dave Scott, who came over from baseball. At some point, we had that guy Pete, who later went to FAU.

I don't know how it differed having Suzy with a title, "Recruiting Coordinator." I assume she was more administrative and not involved in evaluations. I doubt that she was really a football person in the sense an assistant coach or one with coaching experience would be.

The reason I mention it is, I assume the period you talk about at SMU would've included the Pony Express recruitment, and I have no idea if Suzy was involved in any of what you allege was dirty activity. I don't know if she brought any of that to UM. I kind of doubt it. I also kind of doubt that she would've been involved in any kind of such activities at UM. But I don't know.

The little I know about her and her role at UM suggests she was simply an effective administrator and organizer, and knew how to apply it to customary recruiting activities, such as scheduling visits, activities for recruits (meals, etc.) and whatever else was necessary.

I only know what I read about Suzy many years ago, while she was at UM. There was a nice article about her in Dolphin Digest back around '83 or so. I remember she took Jerome to breakfast after he had a sleepness night driving to UM after a HS baseball game the night before. The article described her introducing him to Cuban coffee. It was a nice human interest story but little beyond that.

I think she left when Howard left and went to work at an airlines.

She later set up a business helping people and maybe businesses "organize" themselves (something i've always needed) and then retired.

I only met her once, before the '88 UM-FSU game, at the Orange Bowl. She was long gone from UM but still a fan and came to games. A friend of mine introduced us because my friend knew her from back in the early 80's when boosters would get involved in legitimate recruiting activities. Back then, they often had meals, such as brunches, with boosters assigned by the recruiting office to sit with recruits. Beyond that, the boosters would often be asked to write letters to recruits on behalf of the school. My booster friend, who was well off, a successful accountant (though not a wealthy multimillionaire) said he was NEVER asked to provide any kind of remuneration to any recruit. He would have been able to provide money if asked, but he was never approached. But during that period, which i guess was late '70's, early '80's, NCAA rules regarding booster contact with recruits were much more relaxed.

Whether such illegal off-the-books, off-the-record contacts and activities with recruits would have happened only with more wealthy boosters, perhaps those with even closer ties to the program, I've never seen any proof or heard any evidence.

If this went on at SMU, or Miami, I wonder if it is exaggerated, or goes on beyond the reach of the athletic department, I don't know. I believe it goes on, whether at Miami, I'm still a bit skeptical, or the extent at what I have heard described as the "cheating schools," I don't know. Just mostly allegations, and occasionally an internet picture of a recruit counting out bills.

I believe the stories now involving UGA, UA, other SEC schools, and Clemson, are more credible, but why hasn't somebody really broken it wide open by now? There should be some IRS-DOJ interest, maybe some legitimate RICO violations, something of interest to the press (as corrupted as that sector is, now).

I've been sick, for years, of hearing reports of us losing top recruits to other schools and an offered explanation is that they're bought. There should be a way to stop it.
 

pacusmc

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Funny thing is, our "recruiting coordinator" of the later Schnellenberger years was prior to that, involved in recruiting for SMU during the Craig James-Eric Dickerson recruiting years. It was a woman, Suzy Wilkoff.

Later, we always had a man. When JJ came in, he named Butch. Then we went to a dedicated RC, like Dave Scott, who came over from baseball. At some point, we had that guy Pete, who later went to FAU.

I don't know how it differed having Suzy with a title, "Recruiting Coordinator." I assume she was more administrative and not involved in evaluations. I doubt that she was really a football person in the sense an assistant coach or one with coaching experience would be.

The reason I mention it is, I assume the period you talk about at SMU would've included the Pony Express recruitment, and I have no idea if Suzy was involved in any of what you allege was dirty activity. I don't know if she brought any of that to UM. I kind of doubt it. I also kind of doubt that she would've been involved in any kind of such activities at UM. But I don't know.

The little I know about her and her role at UM suggests she was simply an effective administrator and organizer, and knew how to apply it to customary recruiting activities, such as scheduling visits, activities for recruits (meals, etc.) and whatever else was necessary.

I only know what I read about Suzy many years ago, while she was at UM. There was a nice article about her in Dolphin Digest back around '83 or so. I remember she took Jerome to breakfast after he had a sleepness night driving to UM after a HS baseball game the night before. The article described her introducing him to Cuban coffee. It was a nice human interest story but little beyond that.

I think she left when Howard left and went to work at an airlines.

She later set up a business helping people and maybe businesses "organize" themselves (something i've always needed) and then retired.

I only met her once, before the '88 UM-FSU game, at the Orange Bowl. She was long gone from UM but still a fan and came to games. A friend of mine introduced us because my friend knew her from back in the early 80's when boosters would get involved in legitimate recruiting activities. Back then, they often had meals, such as brunches, with boosters assigned by the recruiting office to sit with recruits. Beyond that, the boosters would often be asked to write letters to recruits on behalf of the school. My booster friend, who was well off, a successful accountant (though not a wealthy multimillionaire) said he was NEVER asked to provide any kind of remuneration to any recruit. He would have been able to provide money if asked, but he was never approached. But during that period, which i guess was late '70's, early '80's, NCAA rules regarding booster contact with recruits were much more relaxed.

Whether such illegal off-the-books, off-the-record contacts and activities with recruits would have happened only with more wealthy boosters, perhaps those with even closer ties to the program, I've never seen any proof or heard any evidence.

If this went on at SMU, or Miami, I wonder if it is exaggerated, or goes on beyond the reach of the athletic department, I don't know. I believe it goes on, whether at Miami, I'm still a bit skeptical, or the extent at what I have heard described as the "cheating schools," I don't know. Just mostly allegations, and occasionally an internet picture of a recruit counting out bills.

I believe the stories now involving UGA, UA, other SEC schools, and Clemson, are more credible, but why hasn't somebody really broken it wide open by now? There should be some IRS-DOJ interest, maybe some legitimate RICO violations, something of interest to the press (as corrupted as that sector is, now).

I've been sick, for years, of hearing reports of us losing top recruits to other schools and an offered explanation is that they're bought. There should be a way to stop it.
Many of these programs are in states or communities where the football program provides an immense amount of revenue to businesses that donate money to political parties and local government.
Now add to that the alumni in those states that are in positions of power like the mayor’s or governor’s office, the state capital and big in state law firms and you start to see why everyone will cover it up and keep their mouths shut.
Go look at the local bars and restaurants in downtown tuskkkaloosa before and after Bama started winning for example.
 

ScubaCane

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What exactly does “red neck” mean?

Why do you feel better than anyone in the rural area? Especially given the current climate of the country, maybe some parents just believe in conservative values and don’t want their kids around liberal stuff. **** off with dog whistle bullshit.

I’ve been to both places and as an adult/parent UGA over Miami; as an 18y/o definitely Miami.

Point is, it’s not a layup. Some people don’t want to be surrounded by euro trash and glam whores
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ScubaCane

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It’s amazing that purported UM fans are knocking themselves out to defend small town Boss Hogg SEC schools on a Miami fan site (for you oversensitive types, this is hyperbolic humor).

When we talk about Klan schools - it’s somewhat fan hyperbole, and you closet SEC lovers know it. You just wanted to show your narrow thinking assess on here.

Here is the real deal: most universities, including SEC ones, have their share of progressives, liberals, leftists and very few “conservatives” - that is, on faculty and administration.

But when it comes to sports, and the money people, it’s dominated by old school, old family, moneyed southerners. More than a few descended from slave owning families. Even those that aren’t, are just one generation removed from “Bull Connor” types.

I am more than familiar with these smiling genteel southerners. Now please note, I’m not stereotyping all Southerners, nor any southern towns, or SEC towns, most people that live there are decent genuine people.

But if you don’t think there is an undercurrent of racism running through the moneyed boosters that supply the SEC bags you have your eyes closed to the reality of the situation. And these are the people that make things run.

When we say athletes go to tap dance for the klan, this is exactly what we’re talking about. This is who they’re taking their money from.

if you live in some small southern SEC town or just a small southern town, nobody’s saying you are racist - that’s not even the implication. Those days are gone. But to say that racism still doesn’t exist is insane, especially with the group I’m talking about.

(and before any of you nitwits calls me a liberal a leftist or something along those lines, I am not)
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ScubaCane

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Because they are good schools? On campus stadiums? The schools are the towns and you are big man on campus? Not competing with pro teams for attention? Schools are very pretty in a nice setting? Or maybe to just be with other red necks as you call them or maybe because what you label them isn't actually accurate? Just throwing out a few of many possible reasons other than the bags.
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tyrn

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Because they are good schools? On campus stadiums? The schools are the towns and you are big man on campus? Not competing with pro teams for attention? Schools are very pretty in a nice setting? Or maybe to just be with other red necks as you call them or maybe because what you label them isn't actually accurate? Just throwing out a few of many possible reasons other than the bags.
Sure sounds like something a UbaGA fan would say...

Don't you agree caneDAWGcrew who joined Aug 2020?
 

CaneDawgCrew

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Sure sounds like something a UbaGA fan would say...

Don't you agree caneDAWGcrew who joined Aug 2020?
You are incredible! Only people who joined in 2013 or before could figure something like that out. I would say you were like a rocket scientist or something but then your head would swell lol

Born and raised in Miami, graduated from the University of Georgia. Gives me quite the perspective. I will leave out the living in Minnesota part because those people are simply Big 10 or nothing folk.
 

No_Fly_Zone

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Because they are good schools? You mean they have good football programs? That's fair for about 1/3 of them. But as academic institutions, they are, mostly, trash schools. On campus stadiums? Lol at any kid basing his decision on where to go to school on whether he's playing at an on-campus toilet over an NFL stadium where they play the super bowl every few years. You think the police escorted bus ride bothers them? The schools are the towns and you are big man on campus? I am sure some kids do prefer the small town feel. But if you are actually a top player, you'll be a big man on campus wherever you go. Not competing with pro teams for attention? Easily the silliest reason on your list. I mean, splitting attention from the fans with pro team? Many of these kids don't care about the fans so long as they get some follows on social media. And, unfortunately, there is more than enough of that sort of attention to go around. Just a totally out of touch with reality reason. Schools are very pretty in a nice setting? Is this bigtime college football or an HGTV home renovation show? "Very pretty" schools?? Be serious. Besides, you now sound like someone who has never stepped foot on UM's campus. Pretty? It's fvcking beautiful. Or maybe to just be with other red necks as you call them or maybe because what you label them isn't actually accurate? Nope. Red necks make up a very small fraction of the kids we recruit and miss on. They also make up a small fraction of the KKK schools' recruitment base, ironically enough. And a ten minute Google search will show you the label is, sadly, more accurate than you'd hope. Just throwing out a few of many possible reasons other than the bags. Of course it's not always bags. And there are a myriad of reasons kids pick one school over another. That being said, you probably should have added the word "football" between the words "good" and "school" and stopped typing at that point.

My responses to your thoughts above, in orange and green, of course.
 
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