Aid package fails again

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Money should not be handed to corporations without restrictions and oversight
I agree with that, 305. And I would think if both sides sat down in good faith they could iron out an acceptable means of oversight for that. But why in the world is that discussion also including corporate board diversity, lowering airline carbon foot print, strengthening unions and a reporting requirement re minority owned banks?!?
 

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Sooooo......board diversity, 25 million for the House "salaries and expenses," emissions for airlines, etc etc etc is oversight? LMAO
In any bill with this amount of money on the table you always find politicians try to squeeze their causes in..on both sides..always. Talking about Trillions of dollars..you’d be naive to believe it’s all going (as it should) to COVID-19 response..someone taught me when asking for money or a loan you always ask for more than u need..in this situation the “more” is on the table..do yes politicians will try to sneak some **** in.. “Until such time as the world ends, we will act as though it intends to spin on”..that’s the code they seem to live by
 

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I agree with that, 305. And I would think if both sides sat down in good faith they could iron out an acceptable means of oversight for that. But why in the world is that discussion also including corporate board diversity, lowering airline carbon foot print, strengthening unions and a reporting requirement re minority owned banks?!?
It shouldn’t bro..but that politicians for you. This happens on both sides when there money on the table..always
 

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All of it is absurd. People that are still employed should not be given government handouts. The checks should be sent to those who have lost jobs that aren’t coming back or to companies and make them use it on payroll to keep their folks employed. The fallout from people losing their benefits will be just as bad as the fallout from losing paychecks.

And I don’t get the “this is socialism,” argument. The government is forcing this shutdown. It’s their fault people need help. Their is no government takeover or redistribution of wealth. It’s a lifeline.
 

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All of it is absurd. People that are still employed should not be given government handouts. The checks should be sent to those who have lost jobs that aren’t coming back or to companies and make them use it on payroll to keep their folks employed. The fallout from people losing their benefits will be just as bad as the fallout from losing paychecks.

And I don’t get the “this is socialism,” argument. The government is forcing this shutdown. It’s their fault people need help. Their is no government takeover or redistribution of wealth. It’s a lifeline.
Agree with that. Government doing they job
 

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And still not doing a good job. This relief package is the biggest softball the US government has had in years and they still can’t get it right. It’s unreal
Idk if you seen some of the bill..I skimmed through some i and it’s not perfect..for me tho, there has to be set restrictions and oversight on what the big corporations (if they go that route) do with the money.. I’m in favor of sending a stimulus directly to the ppl who are out of work in need, the ppl with medical expenses, assuring the medical field have the funding available. This thing is complex..I think the number was in the trillions. That’s a lot of meat to be divided out. And of course the minority wants to get some plans in there, that’s politics and always happens ..I heard the argument about saving the corporations who employ thousands of ppl if not millions..which is fine, as long as there bi partisan oversight to ensure the money doesn’t just stay at the top..I’m not for rushing this, yes move swiftly but there things to iron out..imo this should’ve been prepared
 

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Jesus christ, 305. ITS NEEDED BECAUSE WE SHUT DOWN THE COUNTRY! If we shut down the country and committed economical seppuku every flu season, we would need relief packages after every flu season as well.

In your attempts to be contrary you are losing touch with common sense at times, my man.
Can't argue with stupid.....
 

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Idk if you seen some of the bill..I skimmed through some i and it’s not perfect..for me tho, there has to be set restrictions and oversight on what the big corporations (if they go that route) do with the money.. I’m in favor of sending a stimulus directly to the ppl who are out of work in need, the ppl with medical expenses, assuring the medical field have the funding available. This thing is complex..I think the number was in the trillions. That’s a lot of meat to be divided out. And of course the minority wants to get some plans in there, that’s politics and always happens ..I heard the argument about saving the corporations who employ thousands of ppl if not millions..which is fine, as long as there bi partisan oversight to ensure the money doesn’t just stay at the top..I’m not for rushing this, yes move swiftly but there things to iron out..imo this should’ve been prepared
If I read that correctly it is a proposed $1,500 and if you make over $75,000 annually in 2020, you have to pay it back
 

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Brother, you just blindly regurgitate leftist talking points sometimes. Explain to me how funding presently shut down small businesses so they can continue making payroll is a bad thing. That would literally by definition be the money "going into the hands of corporations".
His job won't be coming back he'll be in his mothers garage for life.
 
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But...you guys just don't understand that we need to assure tax rebates for the use of solar panels right now. Priorities, MF'rs.
Ok, just want to make it clear that those "unrelated items" everybody is ranting and raving about Democrats wanting to add to the bill are not in the Senate Bill media outlets are reporting is close to passing. Those provisions are in the House's stimulus bill. According to reports, none of those provisions have even been brought up by Senate Democrats during the course of negotiations, so this is all just a bunch of manufactured hysteria over nothing at this point. Pelosi has also already come out as saying that she would have no problem voting for the Senate bill if certain changes were made. It's been reported that Senate Republicans have agreed to much greater oversight of the $500 billion set aside to prop up struggling businesses. We're now hearing that the Senate Bill is on the verge of being passed (although negotiations are continuing), so Pelosi's statement on her openness to a revised version of the Senate bill appears to be true.

In negotiations, leverage is needed to get what you want and exact concessions from the other side on issues that are important to you. Introducing a competing bill, one loaded with items unpalatable to the other side, presents the threat of further drawing out negotiations. This heightens the sense of urgency on the other side and forces them to be more open to flexibility in order to bridge the remaining gaps on the nearly completed Senate Bill.

Some might question whether or not now is the time for brinksmanship. However, if the Democrats feel that there certain issues are essential enough to fight over, and hold out for, then they should use whatever leverage they have at their disposal to do so.
 
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In any bill with this amount of money on the table you always find politicians try to squeeze their causes in..on both sides..always. Talking about Trillions of dollars..you’d be naive to believe it’s all going (as it should) to COVID-19 response..someone taught me when asking for money or a loan you always ask for more than u need..in this situation the “more” is on the table..do yes politicians will try to sneak some **** in.. “Until such time as the world ends, we will act as though it intends to spin on”..that’s the code they seem to live by
But this is not just any bill, this is just not any situation. But this just shows me how they really feel about it. They don't think the virus is that serious either but as long as media, and "expert" talking heads keep playing up the blame game, and their "worst case scenarios", why not play along if it suits their aims?
 

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But this is not just any bill, this is just not any situation. But this just shows me how they really feel about it. They don't think the virus is that serious either but as long as media, and "expert" talking heads keep playing up the blame game, and their "worst case scenarios", why not play along if it suits their aims?
I don’t think that’s what it shows..like I said I skimmed through it and it’s not perfect m. It’s not cut and dry..when negotiating I can imagine how this stuff goes..a lot Of give and take..talking trillions..it’s not just sending money to companies and to ppl out of work..if u Take a chance to look over it
 

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Yeah but it’s gotta be right tho..
For decent people it’s not that difficult. Leave out the bs partisan projects and do what needs to be done. Yes companies need money to keep people on payroll, direct how companies have to spend the money. No stock buybacks. Give cash to those who lost jobs. Do not and I mean absolutely do not bail out companies who aren’t registered in the US. All those cruise lines like Disney and a few more who sail under foreign flags for tax purposes can kick rocks.

I understand a normal person can’t write this bill, but it is possible to leave out loop holes and contradictory language. Elected officials need to be reminded that they work for the people. It’s time for them to prove their worth or get out.
 
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