Okay, I had almost 15 years of military LE experience prior to tranfering to Air Ops, so let me do this point by point for clarity:
"You have your set of beliefs, which include hating everything Greek life."
Please quote where I said this...If you ASSumed it, that is your problem. My belief is you took "Strawman Arguments 101" somewhere because that is
exactly what that statement is, a strawman argument practiced by politicians the world over.
"Clearly you do not want to let the evidence gathered and would just condemn the fraternity."
Latest reports are that the PCBPD responded, but no police report was filed, with the responding unit(s) leaving it to the proprietor, Laketown Wharf Resort, to handle. Yes, the media could have gotten the police part wrong, but that is what is out there. If that is the truth, the responsible cop supervisor screwed up and there is no police investigation ongoing, so any "evidence" gathering is not by the police. It's possible the Chief of Police up there, Drew Whitman, after his department has been under a microscope this year, may try to have his investigations unit take a look, but I'm sure they would like this to just die out. Did police work for 11 years on the Florida Gulf Coast and the cops not doing much on a response isn't suprising...A lot of them, like the Tallahassee "police," have off-duty jobs, not with the Seminole boosters, but with Club La Vela, Spinnaker, etc. and they don't want their gravy train drying up. See, not just ZBT members screwed up. Bottom Line: Any "Investigation" gathering "Evidence" into this incident is tainted by the bias of the investigator's position, be it national ZBT, UFelony, or Emory. If PCBPD does one, you can trust Gov. Scott will have the state's Florida Department of Law Enforcement looking over their shoulder, the case is too politically charged now.
"And it's laughable if you believe fraternity was put on probation for hazing that could have resulted in death. My friends were put through that hazing and did not believe it was excessive or warranted probation."
LAUGHABLE??? Did you even take the time to read the Wikipedia list? Since 1990, FORTY FOUR confirmed DEATHS due to hazing, including one ZBT, so it is entirely plausible for a pledge to die during hazing. Heck, New York's first anti-hazing statute was due to a ZBT pledge (the first African-American one) at Monmouth College being BURIED ALIVE in '74.
Your friends are the last people to judge if it was "excessive." Oh, BTW there is hazing that needs to stop in the military too. Just because you survive it doesn't mean it is right. Again, lack of adult supervision is quite evident, since by your account UFelony ZBT VIOLATES national ZBT rules:
http://ijourney.zbt.org/Public/NationalHazingPreventionWeek
"Again, another chapter's actions have absolutely nothing to do with UF ZBT. Again, it's laughable to say that "my hypothesis ignores real world applications." You clearly have never been in a fraternity."
Yep, lets just wait until a pledge dies or property is destroyed to address this problem. The warning signs are there, but lets choose to ignore them until something big happens. Well guess what, something big did just happen, but your too naive to understand it. Nope, I was never in a Frat, but it is clear that you have ZERO time in a military unit. If you did, you would understand the brotherhood of arms, not the brotherhood of some greek letters...These men in Panama City Beach lost limbs, lost a part of their lives and part of their sanity so people like you can go to school, can join yor fraternity and can have parties on the beach. If you haven't already, go to a VA hospital and see how my fellow vets are treated, real heroes who left so much on the battlefield for us all. I'm lucky, I came back with all my appendages, but trust me we all lost something in these wars.
To quote a fictional military character in a movie, "You want answers?" Here goes:
"Why did the lady condemn Emory students when they have no involvement in the matter?"
The resort staff told her it was ZBT from UFelony and Emory who were staying there. Unless the Emory students wore "ZBT Emory" shirts all the time, how was the resort staff or Ms. Cope suppossed to know?
"How could the lady have been 100% positive it was the UF students when they were not the only kids staying in that area for the weekend? From her account, there was endless incidents at separate locations."
Again, the incidents were at the resort and the resort staff told her the frat (ZBT) and the schools (Emory, UFelony) involved. I'm pretty sure Ms. Cope, being an elderly women, would be too frightened to confront a group of young college age men to fond out who they were and where they were from...Think about the real world here, Kyle.
"Will you entertain the idea that it could have been 3-5 students (3 students have already been expelled) acting overly obnoxious rather than the whole chapter?"
I can entertain anything, but your "just a few bad apples" argument doesn't hold much water when the UFelony ZBT was already on probation for hazing, the UFelony ZBT member Mr. Musser tries to invoke his FAMILY's military heritige in a twisted way to try and excuse his ZBT brother's callous actions and even your own disturbing rationalization of hazing gives me pause about more than just UFelony ZBT since you may be a ZBT Alpha Omega member and hazing actions like you accept may bring discredit to UMiami.
"In this digital age, why was there no evidence at all or any police calls? At a popular public beach, why did no one other witnesses or any officials claim to have seen a student steak an American flag then **** on the flag in front of 60 veterans?"
Again, see the media reports I referenced above. There are dispatch records for the PCBPD, but if no report was filed, it may be a dead end. Sorry, but not everyone of a certain age grabs their cell phone camera to take video of everything, I certainly don't. There may be security camera footage, but that is the proprietor's property unless the police have probable cause to believe a crime was commited and request it...This thing called the US Constitution needs to be followed.
"Why did I see snapchat videos of veterans drinking beers with the fraternity?"
Your point is...???? Is this Obama, The Professor and the Cop, where everything is cool if you have a beer together? How do know the spitting wasn't occuring at a different place in the resort when the beers were being consumed. No revelance to the issue we are discussing.
"What are the motives for a fraternity to go out of their way, on their formal and last party of the year before finals, to cause trouble for elderly men and women that fought for our country?"
Hmm, drunk perhaps? ****ed they couldn't get in the military? Girlfriend problems like the German Pilot who killed almost three hundred with him when he killed himself? Sorry, the absolutes of physics don't apply to the real world. I've busted people for some of the stupidest things you can imagine...Your young; depending on what you do and where you go, you will see amazing acts of human depravity as you age.
"Why did the seven people who were at the trip tell me they saw none of the reported behavior?"
They didn't see it or they lied to you or they were too drunk to remember or they weren't at the resort when the specific act were commited...The reasons are endless. Did you hire a polygraph operator and have them run your friends through an examination? Don't be naive and think friends will never lie to you or omit details, etc.
"One of my friends was staying on at least the third or fourth floor of the hotel from what I saw. Why in God's earth would they throw beer bottles down a balcony when the result could be death?"
Again, your ascribing rational actions to people at party filled with alcohol. ANYTHING can happen in those situations.
Recommend you re-visit this topic when you have graduated and had some life experience under your belt; you will be amazed how your perspective will have changed.
