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Surprised vs. Not surprised: UF

Surprised vs. Not surprised: UF

LuCane
Having now re-watched the brutal live, stadium experience, I remain only minimally surprised by what we saw on Saturday. I don't usually predict scores because it's based on so many random things happening, but friends who asked on gameday got a "one possession-type game that could go either way" and it ended up that way. Only it happened in the weirdest way imaginable.

NOT SURPRISED

QB (generally)
- I was not surprised to see Jarren's performance. He moves his feet well. He throws an accurate ball. Yet, he was in his first start and I figured he'd be a tick or two slow on decisions. He held the ball too long on 8 different dropbacks I counted. Early in the game, he had some opportunities to hit Jeff Thomas running free behind shallow routes and decided to throw the safer route instead. About as expected from a young guy not wanting to turn the ball over. The one thing that did surprise me was his relative escapability. That'll actually get better as time goes on and his OL (to be discussed later) settle the F down, hopefully.

Brevin Jordan (generally) - Not surprised to see him get open and convert. More surprised that we went away from the TE screens and scripted plays to get him touches. We focused on him early and then went away from it. Why?

DB play - Not surprised to see our DBs, for the most part, step up to what UF challenged. There were some lapses and I still think the guys' weaknesses are apparent, but Carter played a solid enough game - even if I believe he still struggles with range. Hall missed a bad, tentative tackle early on, but generally settled in. We need him to be used more for coverages over the top. At least until Bolden gets on the field. No one can blame this game on Knowles, by the way. Still don't see the Finley PI at all. He redirected the move with the UF initiating contact just as much, turned, ran, where was the interference? The Frierson play on the 65 yard toss looked like he got smoked, but also seemed like either a blown coverage or Carter waited too long to help over the top. I don't know the coverage call, but looked like underneath man with Carter helping over the top and he just didn't move quickly enough over. Frierson made some other great plays underneath. Those are going to help us later in the season against inside WRs.

The Corners play a solid game that would have been closer to spectacular, but they were not tested. UF intentionally quick passed us for most of the game. Not because of our Corners, but in order to neutralize what I imagined they feared: our DEs.

DE play - I know most are complaining we only got one sack, but what can you expect when UF predominantly went quick pass? On top of that, when Franks did make deeper drops, we played our lanes. Early in the game we ran a twist inside, Franks broke contain and ran successfully. I think we maintained our lanes pretty well after that, and traded disruption for making Franks throw accurately. While he hit a couple passes, for the most part, it was a successful approach.

SURPRISED

OTs -
The #1 surprise to me was the differential between what I imagine the coaches anticipated and what we saw. It's the best way I can think of giving the coaches credit because there is no logical way the OTs looked this way in practice and the coaches still kept Scaife inside.

As I've said since the game, I suspect the coaches' logic has been "these are our most talented long-term Tackles and if we can sneak a game by UF, they'll then have time for reps and develop as we move into ACC season." But, damn. In my estimation, it was a failed attempt. You don't give a game away to UF in the hopes of a long-term play.

Especially when, again in my estimation, you can do both. Why not minimize the weaknesses out there in Game #1 by having Scaife at T and then work in the two Freshman Tackles over the next few games? Zion struggled. Obviously. Campbell had a truly rough experience. Scaife had already shown competence at Tackle. You can't run an offense when you have so many weak links at OL at the same time. If Zion wins his rep, you had a high chance Campbell lost his rep. Or vice versa.

Would it have been that detrimental to our program and year end goals to kick Scaife out for the first game? The two weeks of practice reps gained and the brutally live on-field whipping the Frosh OTs took could have reasonably been spread out over the next 4 weeks, no? I guess that's a decision the coaches wanted to roll the dice on. And, because I think there'd have been tremendous juice from sneaking a game passed UF, it would have been worth the cost. By the way, as I said on the podcast to start the season, I think that's a 4 loss UF team. Get Franks the f out of my face.

Enos - The second biggest surprising thing was watching Enos come out with about 10 scripted plays and then go away completely from the eye candy. Would love to be a fly in the film room, as I'm confused what exactly happened to go into a shell. Why did we force so much PA from under center? They never respected our run game from under center anyway. Their DEs crashed everything and their LBs and Safeties didn't have to urgently step forward, so why repeated PA?

Go to the Gun to pass. It's fine to relent as an in-game adjustment. Why did we go away from TE screens, focusing on Brevin Jordan's incredible advantage against DBs who can't tackle? I don't know if this is necessarily Enos, but WR personnel groups fall under Enos so I mention it here. We trotted out a number of combinations that were almost sure to fail. What's the issue with Hightower? They prefer smaller guys with quicks? Well, you still need a guy out there as a Split End who can body people. In specific scenarios, we could have used a slant or a fade attempt, yet we had three dudes out there who are shorter than 5' 11" and their games are about shiftiness. Against UF DBs who lack physicality and have games based on quickness. Would love to hear an explanation for that approach.

Already talked about the OT decision, and I know that affected the ability to call other plays. So, again, why make that decision for this game? This game wasn't what I expected from Enos and Diaz in only one way: they seemed happy to sneak one by UF instead of believing they could beat them and making decisions accordingly. The OT situation, the move away from eye candy and shifts later in the game, etc.

Jeff Thomas - The third biggest surprise was the uneven focus from Thomas. Not just because of the muffed punt. His body language sulked later in the game. Come on, kid. You're a 3rd year player open about wanting to go to the L next year. While he made one spectacular play down the sideline and really does work hard in blocking, the mental aspect is on display for the scouts, too. He muffed a punt. It was awful and really hurt us, but move on. Was he featured the way I had laid on before the game? Nope. I don't understand why. I get you don't have time to throw the ball downfield right now. When they tried to set him up on a corner route to the endzone, Jarren had to eat the ball. But, what about using him as the decoy? What about a screen or two more? Disappointing.

LBs - During Fall camp, I openly hoped and asked if our LBs would make the big final leap. This game was not a glimpse of that. I hope it changes, but the vulnerabilities are still about the same. We'll see if other teams try some of the same things (like angle routes).

RB - Surprised we didn't stick with more Deejay Dallas for a number of reasons. He gives us a strong ability to be multiple in our looks. He was making plays early. I realize someone posted a supposed "rating" and he was lower than Cam Harris. Not sure how that rating was created. Deejay seemed comfortable out there and I would have gone more up tempo to keep UF personnel on the field in spots. Speaking of Harris, why didn't we run more toss plays or outside runs? Out of the bunch or otherwise, anyone could see how UF was playing their DEs. I feel like we lost focus and this could have helped settle our Tackles down a bit, too.

Mallory - he had a wildly unfocused game. I know he's getting killed on the boards and people have now called him a Greentree All-American. I'll buy the stock. But, I will admit he seemed out of sorts and uncomfortable. We need to get him running across the field or down the seams at full speed.

That was a tough loss because UF was willing to do everything they could to hand us a win. Since I didn't get access to Fall practices this year, it was really the first time I could watch our guys and begin judging personnel decisions. I acknowledge the coaches seemingly have a long-term view of this season. I said during the podcast the offense SHOULD look wildly different from Game 1 to Game 10. I was encouraged by Jarren. I was made a bit concerned by Enos' in-game tendencies and going away from things. Maybe it was a Game 1 thing for him, too. Impossible to know more until we see more situations. Next.
 

Comments (40)

I was OK with playing both the young guys at tackle but I thought they would have had a much better game plan, at least for this game. I think what we saw is what Enos wants to do long-term with the offense but I would have been happy if they took a step back, for at least week 0 against what will probably be our toughest opponent and sacrificed some versatility if only to help the tackles out in pass protection. If they are going to leave them alone on islands, they need to adjust the play calling to help them out. More screens or misdirection, in general could have really helped. Still, I was generally pleased with the creativity on offense and a majority was executed about as well as you could have realistically hoped for. It will be nice to have a week off before getting things going against some much easier opponents.
 
C
Great post... This stands out to me too. ''Go to the Gun to pass. It's fine to relent as an in-game adjustment.'' The gun was definitely needed more in this game. Under center works with great lines we don't have one. What works for Bama isn't going to work for us against good teams.
 
This play was about 20% of their rushing yardage for the entire game.

This D is gonna ball out all season. That’s the best D we’ll face in 2019. We will iron out the mistakes on offense.

We’re going to be fine.

 
Couldn’t agree more on the OL. The way Enos called the game strongly suggested that they were not expecting that kind of implosion.

I think we’re going to really regret sticking to Campbell if that’s the route we choose to go. Scaife needs to be at tackle for UNC because that’s going to be another dogfight and starting out 0-2 would be awful.
 
As far as the tackles...

I think what the coaches saw in practice had to be better than what we witnessed. Maybe the moment was just too big for the two of them and their games were off (not that I expected all American type performances)
 
As far as the tackles...

I think what the coaches saw in practice had to be better than what we witnessed. Maybe the moment was just too big for the two of them and their games were off (not that I expected all American type performances)
What we here coming out of practice and what actually happened in the game are two very different things. We heard the O line was doing well against our D line. Michael Irvin on gameday in his prediction said flat out the O line scares him. Being at practice and having his son on the team he knew they were in trouble. Now we all know the O line is a work in progress.
 
This play was about 20% of their rushing yardage for the entire game.

This D is gonna ball out all season. That’s the best D we’ll face in 2019. We will iron out the mistakes on offense.

We’re going to be fine.

Good god
 
Lu: good takes - some comments:

- agree on JT - his body language was awful after the muff. He ran lazy routes the entire second half

- no comments on our DL regarding pass rush. I know we schemed to not allow qb runs but I thought they were generally ineffective. Bethel was pushed around easily.

- LBs: what were you expecting from them this year? They are what they are - guys who are a bit limited physically but excel with intuition and experience.

- one other note - punt unit was not good. We are back to wide splits and almost allowed a couple blocks. Also, I’m not sure who are gunners were but they were barely on the screen by the time UF caught the ball. This is a concerning area to me as well as KO coverage unit. Lots of starters there but we also have knowles, a random walk-on without a name on his jersey (who is 80?!) and jimmy Murphy. Wtf

Onto UNC - will be a very tough game
 
This play was about 20% of their rushing yardage for the entire game.

This D is gonna ball out all season. That’s the best D we’ll face in 2019. We will iron out the mistakes on offense.

We’re going to be fine.


SMDH I really would like to know wtf the Refs are looking at sometimes..
 
C
Couldn’t agree more on the OL. The way Enos called the game strongly suggested that they were not expecting that kind of implosion.

I think we’re going to really regret sticking to Campbell if that’s the route we choose to go. Scaife needs to be at tackle for UNC because that’s going to be another dogfight and starting out 0-2 would be awful.

Yup it would be a disaster, NC sucks just like most of the ACC. Losing this one is unthinkable.
 
On the point about the coaches not expecting the OL to struggle as much as they did - this may be a somewhat silly conclusion from me, but I don't know how that could be the case if the most positive, sunshine pumping 'Canes fan, Don Bailey, Jr., was concerned about the OL, and at the West Palm Beach alumni kickoff event I went to about 10 days ago, I actually came away surprised about how unconvincing/concerned he was about our OL.

During a fan Q&A at the event, someone asked him about our OL and how the starting OTs in particular were looking, and he basically said that they would take a lot of time to develop and get stronger, how Zion had come in at 240 and was working to put on weight, that Coach Barry is a really good technical coach and is working with them, but my dad and I both agreed that given how much of a homer he is, we were pretty surprised by how unconvincing he was about those guys. Given that he sees practice every day, and at an event like this one where it was mostly rah-rah BS, his answer to this question now seems even more telling, and so it seems to me that it should have been pretty apparent to Barry, Enos and Manny that those guys were going to need some help in the form of additional chipping from RBs and TEs, or from the game plan.
 
Watch 56 on the go ahead Gator touchdown.

Have a few shots ready. It's ugly.
I saw it live. Saw it again on the re-watch. It hurt.

- LBs: what were you expecting from them this year? They are what they are - guys who are a bit limited physically but excel with intuition and experience.

More. I still expect more. Even if it's just off increased awareness. Overall wasn't bad (getting shook on a singular play happens to anyone; not getting there on a screen to the sideline happens when you're not fast enough), but the vulnerabilities on certain pass plays are still there. It just makes it very clear to opposing OCs how to attack them. We'll see. My hope remains they'll take a leap, I guess.
 
On the point about the coaches not expecting the OL to struggle as much as they did - this may be a somewhat silly conclusion from me, but I don't know how that could be the case if the most positive, sunshine pumping 'Canes fan, Don Bailey, Jr., was concerned about the OL, and at the West Palm Beach alumni kickoff event I went to about 10 days ago, I actually came away surprised about how unconvincing/concerned he was about our OL.

During a fan Q&A at the event, someone asked him about our OL and how the starting OTs in particular were looking, and he basically said that they would take a lot of time to develop and get stronger, how Zion had come in at 240 and was working to put on weight, that Coach Barry is a really good technical coach and is working with them, but my dad and I both agreed that given how much of a homer he is, we were pretty surprised by how unconvincing he was about those guys. Given that he sees practice every day, and at an event like this one where it was mostly rah-rah BS, his answer to this question now seems even more telling, and so it seems to me that it should have been pretty apparent to Barry, Enos and Manny that those guys were going to need some help in the form of additional chipping from RBs and TEs, or from the game plan.

Your point is well-taken. I think we were all extra concerned. I mentioned it repeatedly on the podcast and in subsequent convos here. I expected something different.

Considering the Tackles' youth, Enos didn't help them almost at all? It's reasonable to conclude the Tackles didn't struggle in practice as much as they did in this game, right? I really don't know. I fail to see how it makes sense now that we have all seen their play over 50+ reps. While also seeing how other teams help Tackles. And, while also having multiple full games of reps on film from Scaife.

The math doesn't add up.
 
Like it or not, one game in and looking at all the players and coaches. It's clear Enos is the weak link.

It's looking like he maybe in over his head.

You gave to be able to think on your feet and then make adjustments. Games don't follow scripted pre game plans.
 
Your point is well-taken. I think we were all extra concerned. I mentioned it repeatedly on the podcast and in subsequent convos here. I expected something different.

Considering the Tackles' youth, Enos didn't help them almost at all? It's reasonable to conclude the Tackles didn't struggle in practice as much as they did in this game, right? I really don't know. I fail to see how it makes sense now that we have all seen their play over 50+ reps. While also seeing how other teams help Tackles. And, while also having multiple full games of reps on film from Scaife.

The math doesn't add up.

Sure seems that way. I mean, I think everyone was concerned about the concept of starting two freshmen tackles, especially given Zion's backstory/rating/weight gain, added to starting a freshman QB. Given that, it seemed like either 1) those 2 guys had held their own in practice, or 2) the replacement player for Scaife at guard (whether Reed, Hillery, Traore, etc.) weakened guard or the OL unit more than it strengthened tackle. Otherwise, it just didn't seem to make sense that we didn't settle one of the tackle positions with Scaife, at least for this game, with a guy who played the position at least competently most of last year. But, if we were going to go with those 2 young guys at tackle for a game like this, I certainly would have expected Enos to do a bit more to help them, put them in less difficult positions (whether through shorter drops, help from RBs and TEs, etc.)
 
Like it or not, one game in and looking at all the players and coaches. It's clear Enos is the weak link.

It's looking like he maybe in over his head.

You gave to be able to think on your feet and then make adjustments. Games don't follow scripted pre game plans.

I'm not giving up on the guy, but you hire a quarter backs coach.. from bama ok sure.. to run an offense, how long has it been since he even last called plays?

I wanted bedenbaugh or however it's spelled from oklahoma, he may be green but he WILL get picked up by a P5 program and we should have taken a shot.
 

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